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Just thought I'd try out your philosophy. Kinda like it. Was on-call so sitting in my office catching up on the government charting requirements so I can become wealthier .

Ah, ok...again always someone else's fault! You roll with that DaveK. Does that fact that those careers have a limited skill set or education requirements have anything to do with it? Again, it come back to choices and decisions. Not belittling those careers, but they are what they are. But if a person takes one of those career paths by choice and because they don't make as much as someone else, they are underpaid? Supply and demand works in the job market and with wages too, DaveK. By the way, it is the bartender, waitress or cab driver that gives out of their pocket to the local Red Cross, Salavation Army or YWCA? Not so much, but again I know why...I have all the money? You are bitter person about our American society. Move to France and run for political office there and you would be elected in a landslide.

Fixed my post. Thanks for getting a "fact" finally right, though. The fact still remains you generally bring nothing of value to any of these threads. But as I mentioned previously, you are entitled to your opinion.

The problem with these types of threads is you have some people that will refute facts with unsubstantiated opinions. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when an opinion ignores facts and reality that's where I have a problem. DaveK, and everyone else of his philosophical ilk, is entitled to his opinion, but when facts are discounted as fiction just because he/she doesn't like that way that facts line up, I'll take offense to that and call you out for what you really are--a person of ignorance. I don't have a problem with those who have a different view on anything as long as they can come to a debate with facts to support their opinion. That fosters a healthy debate and respect.

And with that you just cemented my point to everyone that will read this thread that you are BOTH ignorant and an idiot! Give me your address and I'll throw you a few bucks if that will make you feel better! See I'm willing to "share". By the way just read that 40% of American families are over $50K in debt, I suppose that has everything thing to do with people like me "hogging the wealth", not paying enough in taxes, and the government not giving those people enough freebies and has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that lots people live way above their means and don't take any personal repsonsibility for their own financial well being! PS--Another fact, not "fiction", I came out of my schooling and training over $150K in debt way back when. Took responsibility and accountability, made some sacrifices along the way and paid it all back. Didn't and don't have new cars, new huge house, 64" plasma TV or a boat. I guess if I'm an "elitest snob" because of all I did to make a better way for myself and family, I hope my kids turn out to be "elitest snobs" just like me, too.

And I predict the Dow will be up over 11,000 by the drop of the puck on Friday. Neither one of the above mentioned scenerios is likely. I'd be thrilled with a split with what Mankato has coming back and being at home plus the fact that we didn't exactly look "solid" in many phases of the game this past weekend.

Does this ring a bell?

Yes, you have. And I'd be willing to bet there is a majority on this site that agree with me. I'm not going to sit back and listen to someone with little factual knowledge or information on this topic. DaveK, I'll call it as I see it. Now if you want to come this debate with something more than an unsubstantiated opinion, i.e. "hogging", "fortunate", "privileged", please do so. But if you don't want to listen to the true facts in this thread, saying they are "fiction", on how this country's tax system really works, that make you nothing more than ignorant. Doesn't bother me at the rate/amount of taxes I pay, but does bother me when someone like you has the onions to tell me that I'm not paying my fair share when I'm one of those 20% that is covering 80% of the tax bill in this country. Now go find an Obama rally to make yourself feel better about how you're not getting your fair share!

Name another college program that runs into a "hot" goalie every other game?!

Last time I checked, He SCORED our lone goal on Friday. So he is on the first line and scores our only goal on Fri. and then doesn't play Sat.? Again, He is either an every night guy or he isn't. Hak did the same thing last year with Miller--on the first line one week and then nowhere to be found for 2-3 weeks. Just doesn't make a lot of sense.

And by the way, can someone again tell me how Miller goes from a 1st line guy on Friday to not playing on Sat? He is either one of your top 3-6 forwards or not! Hak has to figure this thing out. As a coaching staff, you either like what Miller brings to the ice or not. But to go from top line to nothing, to me, right there says something about how this coaching staff has no clue at this point on how to fit these lines together early on. And on a side note, Duncan and Miller on the same line gets you nothing in the corners offensively and gets you nothing defensively in your own end.

Totally agree. Martens is the most underappreciated player on this team. He just makes solid plays at both ends, not flashy. We can talk about player's potential, i.e. Frattin--just to name one, but you got to put players out there that can play consistantly. Martens should be an everyday player period.

Maybe not right now, but the reality is this team could be 1-7 after the CC series. Not unreasonable to think that they could get swept at Mankato and CC and split with UW at home. I don't think that will happen, but if they don't get at least a split next weekend...

Really and you would know this how? I'm a doctor and I'd put my hours in a week of patient care, being on-call and doing charts up against your work week! Fortunate? Exclusive club? Let's see, I paid my way thru UND and Med school. So here is how my day goes DaveK. I work hard so that I can pay very high taxes, then my taxes go to cover the healthcare benefits of many of the patients I see via Medicaid and Medicare (and there are more and more getting on those programs). Then the government tells me how much they are going to pay me for seeing those government assisted patients that my taxes pay for! The patients I have that bitch the most are those who get their healthcare for free of which again my taxes pay for. Take your distorted view on this subject somewhere else because I sacrificed and made responsible choices and decisions to be "fortunate" only to have an idiot like you telling me that I'm "hogging the wealth".

I'm with you here, but DaveK will never get past the point that those who do well are "hogging the wealth". His philosophy on taxes is true socialism--plain and simple. Lower income people by and large don't create jobs. Where is the risk by not taking responsibility/accountability for your own well being when you can point the finger at someone who is "hogging" what is rightfully yours! Again, I get back to the fact that YOU, as an idividual, thru decisions and choices create your own "fortunate" circumstance(s).

Not a high roller but someone who understands personal accountability and responsibility for my own current situation and future. There are many people that work long hours, but if your job pays you 25K/year vs. someone who makes 100K/year, who's fault is that? Personal choices/decisions form the "fortunate" outcome that you speak of. A 24 year old single women who has no post-high school education with 4 kids by 3 different father isn't "unfortunate" because of someone who has made better educational and lifestyle choice to become "fortunate". You are an enabler for all of those who wake up mad/pissed at the world for their "unfortunate" situation, not because of their own poor decisions and choices that got them to that place, but because someone else is better off. As far as the ditty, you posted it and I took it as it was posted.

You keep coming back to "fortunate". Fortunate is getting a hole in one or winning a lottery. Overworked and underpaid can be said by teachers, doctors, janitors, policeman... Try again because there aren't many who think they are overpaid and underworked.

And that is not out of the realm of possibility! The Mavs at their barn is going to be tough.

Totally agree, but again you will run into a situation where those who don't pay anything into the tax system now will. And the outcry by those people will be deafening! And in Washington, it is the squeaky wheel that gets the grease!! As much sense as the Fair Tax makes, I don't see it taking place in my lifetime.

The Fair Tax is a great concept, but to liberals it doesn't stick it to the "rich" as the current system does. And sticking it to the "rich" is a huge platform for the liberals in this country.

You are right that someone has to work those shifts. But if that is your "goal" in life, don't think you are entitled to "have" what the business owner, CEO/CFO or doctor has as he/she is getting to work by 7 am and working 40+ hours a week to HOG all the wealth. This isn't a socialism system yet! Bottom line is this country is being taken over by those who do less and want more--PERIOD!! Whether one thinks it is appropriate or not on the 80/20 tax situation in this country, those who don't pay in should be the last to complain about this nation's tax system and how "fair" it is. Your terms of "appropriate" and "hogging", as well as your pathetic little ditty at the end of your last post are some of the reasons that this country is becoming so divided. When did it become the fault of those who put forth the effort to better themselves and work hard as it relates to the "plight" of those who are lazy, unwilling to work and have no self drive to make a better way for themselves? This nation has millions of stories of those who started with nothing and paved a way of success for themselves because of a dream, drive, effort and perserverance. How about promoting that philosophy vs. your socialism mentality??

Obviously you don't get it but it is fictional based on reality! "Fortunate" in most situations in today's society means hardwork and effort, which for most is becoming increasingly less due to the mentality of entitlement, laziness and apathy!

My nomination for best post---EVER--on this site! Look around at the collapsing housing market and stock market. We have become a country of what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine! This county is not economically "healthy" because of the barista at Starbucks that sleeps until noon and works his usual 4-10 pm shift just so he can get healthcare benefits and enough money to go a Dave Matthews concert. Nor is this country economically sound because we allow immigation but don't require those folks to speak the language subsequently they can't become employed to help with the tax burden. They are part of the tax burden. Even in Fargo I have lots of patients that I have seen for years at are immigrants, who still don't speak a lick of English are on Medicare and/or Medical Assistance and will nover be a contributing member of this society from a wage earning/tax revenue producing stand point. I could go on on, but I digress... People who make the most pay the most taxes period! They then by that fact help support all those who don't want to work or can not work. Almost everything in this country come down to the 80/20 rule. Right now as it was mentioned, 80% of all taxes in the US come from only 20% of it's people. That is amazing when you think about it. We have a growing society that is part of the "taking" and not part of the "producing" and that is the simple fact. Not everyone is entitled to a new home or car, not entitled to have what the Jone's across the street have, but that is becoming the mentality of this country. We are 10-20 years away of becoming FRANCE. Everyone gets everything for free. Nobody wants to work more than 30 hours/week and oh by the way, they need 12 weeks vacation. You can't function as a society or country when you have more people wanting and less people producing. Taxing those that make the most doesn't solve the equation. Getting more people to give to the tax pot is. This philosophy of ENTITLEMENT that is and has been spreading across this country is what is getting us in this economic mess! Now I know there is wasteful speading in Washington, the war in Iraq, ect...but entitlement breads apathy and apathy kills productivity!! But look on the bright side, after listening to the last Presidential debate, I'm in a win-win situation. Vote for Obama, and I get free healthcare! Vote for McCain and I'll get a free house! Winner Winner, chicken dinner!!!

We'll agree to disagree on this one. Personally, I think Mauer is overrated, but you have a man-crush on him so you can roll with that. Just as long as you don't have the sideburns and eat at Jimmy Johns every night too!

Not going to get into a pissing match, but if YOU watched the Twins over the course of the whole year, Morneau and Nathan are more valuable and less replaceable than Mauer. Stats don't tell the whole story about a player or his season. Poll 20 Twins fans on this site and I'd be suprised if Mauer gets 5 "MVP" votes for his own team. But again to the true baseball fan and observer, Mauer is not one of the top 5 players in MLB.