DI IN FARGO

I don't know who your talking about over there but on Bisonville there are many posters from UND who talk both seriously and some who post nothing but smack. Its no different then here in that its obvious when someone outside of the UND circle posts anything on here its either considered smack or just garbage by most if its not in agreement with you. As far as sour grapes you couldn't be farther from the truth, the only thing most Bison supporters feel is that a good helping of crow is in order for many on here about the DI move yet you guys talk about it as if your doing it right and NDSU did it all wrong yet you want to use NDSU's/SDSU's hard work to gain entrance into a conference. So when your on that high and mighty stool talking SMACK you might want to stop and think before you do so because if it were not for NDSU and SDSU making the move you'd still be scheduling Crookston.......By the way you didn't see me doing any name calling so who is posting smack?

I never said I didn't post the comment about dreaming big and Nebraska so if you want to start name calling that's fine I'll leave that to you. What I was taking acception to was nd1sufan allegedly quoting me as saying "While I don't agree with D1 In Fargo that there aren't good athletes in Montana, I think it would be extremely difficult to get them away from one of the D1AA Montana schools. Nebraska may be a good place to find some good D1AA players, but UND will have to go much farther south to get the speed they will need in 1AA." which I never said anything about Montana not having good athletes. Please read the posts first before being so critical. As I stated to Jim my comment about Nebraska was out of line and thats fine but don't be trying to put words in my mouth. Can you try to post without the name calling or is that not possible?

While I don't agree with D1 In Fargo that there aren't good athletes in Montana, I think it would be extremely difficult to get them away from one of the D1AA Montana schools. Nebraska may be a good place to find some good D1AA players, but UND will have to go much farther south to get the speed they will need in 1AA. I do take exception to some of the UND fans "holier than thou" attitude about being this elite institution that only Rhode Scholars can get into. Their basketball team did have 2 JUCO athletes (Beasley & Myron ALlen) at the same time that were only in Grand Forks because they hadn't gotten the grades or degree from their JUCO to qualify in D1.

An error in my assessment? I only pointed out and responded to a post regarding NDSU's use of getting some JUCO's to fill in holes when we needed immediate help in a position where we were short and someone felt that UND would never do that. I understand Beasley was in Basketball but can you tell me that UND has never recruited a JUCO for football? That's what I was responding to and if that's trash talk then hey so be it but it was not posted by me! Jim my post about Nebraska may have ruffled a few feathers and if Dale figures he can recruit Nebraska more power to him, no its not impossible to get a player from Nebraska but I don't see a pipeline as some others feel there may be. In the future if you guys prove yourselve's can it happen? Who knows I guess you guys do and I don't.

Wow you guys really like to dream big, I can see a quality DI kid who won't want to go the the Big red machine in Lincoln but will want to go to GF

UND doesn't recruit juco's? Your football team has never had a juco on it? What about your other sports as well like BB and MR. Beasly who made it 2 years in basketweaving? What a joke, Beasely couldn't get into a DI and so UND welcomes him with open arms. You'd better be careful about posting garbage, one would think you people would have learned your lesson about all the trash talk with NDSU going DI and here you are again following in our dust and posting more trash talk that will certainly come back to bite you.

Jim, since you locked the other thread and as you can see by my posts in it I was only referring to the study and suggestions at UNO and how they related to your planned move to DI. Whether you believe it or not I was not trying to hijack a thread as the thread already had comments relating to the uno move. If you think that the situation going on right now at UNO is in no way similar to the one in GF then I guess you can say that the thread was hijacked but I didn't do it and I would disagree with your notion that the two are not related or have no common ground. As far as any fan of any university no matter where they are from (as long as the university is within the state of ND) then they do have every right to ask questions about the move and its funding when it directly affects them. Did not the good people of GF and UND ask about NDSU's move back when we made it and do so relentlessly? So now is a legitimate discussion about your move need to be relegated to one thread if a sioux fan brings up relevant material no matter the thread its in? Are not many of the threads on siouxsports.com currently discussing the DI move? I will certainly follow your wishes but hope that legitimate discussion about the DI move won't be poo poo'd by you in other forums.

Geez, with a name like sioux-CIA one would think you could get the facts straight.

When presented with the facts and they don't agree with your version of the truth you call them liars or whatever but the fact is there was no rules violations and that just burns you up. Again these are the facts and I'm sticking to them.

You can track the manipulation of the english language back a long way. Look at Clinton and the definition of the word is, is. Look at the worst violators of the manipulation of the english language (Attorneys) something UND is very good at producing!

The AG has said they didn't meet in violation, so your saying now that the AG is in cahoots with the board to circumvent the law? Thats a joke. Maybe the truth lies in the so called equitable funding formula the board and Potts had been pushing and now its being brought into the spotlight and Potts and now some vocal UND supporters are clamoring for cover becuase they are afraid UND might actually get what it deserves which is less then the current formula calls for and that NDSU may get more?

Although I have had my disagreements with AFF on certain issues this is one that I agree with him on completely. Only because of the obvious parrallels between uno and UND.

I didn't haijack any thread, just pointing out based on comments in the thread already about the financing of the move based on the problems at UNO.

I'd be interested to see where you found those numbers. In researching the US Census Bureau information I only found stats up to 2004 but Cass Co. overall from 2000-2004 had a population increase of 1.1% which was lower then I thought it was but I also noticed only a few counties in the state had an overall population increase of which grand forks was not one of them. The reporting date on this document was 2005.

I would say the only concern NDSU fans have is that the equitable funding formula the state is currenlty using is not in fact equitable for NDSU. If and when UND makes this move with a larger defecit how much money is going to come from the state coffers in effect siphoning money away from other schools? You can poo poo this notion but your financial issues are reason for concern when it in the end affects other schools in the same higher ed system. As to your comment about NDSU fans no being interested in budgets that's completely false. Teammakers has done a tremendous job of increasing giving of its members, UND has no such orginazation that can match that and it will take a tremendous effort on the part of the financial supporters and businesses in gf to sustain the budget needed to be in DI which is why I brought up the issue of the size of the city and the lack of growth which I know you don't want to hear but it is a fact. Are you going to tell me now that gf is larger the Fargo?

Fargo's population didn't decrease the rate of growth decreased.

Remember your expenses for athletics is certainly going to increase, are these going to be made up all by tuition waivers?

Where's your defecit coming from then and how do you propose to cover it when the costs increase from a move to DI?

That may or may not be true but last year the difference was made up by a financial supporter of the school. We didn't have a defecit when all was said and done. It was also a smaller number differnce wise then your number was after cuts were made to reduce your defecit which makes me wonder if and when you make the move that difference is certain to grow and how is UND planning on making up that even larger defecit. You made cuts this last year to alleviate that defecit but what are you going to do when the stakes/costs are even higher? How much more are you going to be able to cut and where are those cuts going to come from, academics? Fair questions which as far I have seen have not been addressed yet.

This doens't even take into consideration the abilitiy of GF to sustain a DI program given the growth or lack of growth for the GF area over the last 10 years or more. It was also interesting to see someone else mention that DII schools with a hockey program at the DI level is not exactly a great model financially to try to follow. If you didn't have hockey and that little thing called Title IX maybe the move would or could fit into your financial abilities but I doubt with Hockey it will be sustainalbe. That's why I pointed out the commitment to academics. NDSU isn't trying to support a Hockey program that with Title IX factored in is definetly a huge money drain.

Nice try but NDSU doens't or isn't running the defecit UND is and your still at DII. What happens when you do DI (if you go)? Fair questions and why I pointed it out.

When did the NCC go DI?

Its hard to argue with him about his concern for academics. It has to be number one. Makes one wonder what the priorities at UND are?

I guarantee you no matter how good a job they do there will be an appeal. It's sad but its whats become of our Criminal Justice System.