nd1sufan

It was a UND fan that posted that the SD schools and UNI didn't recruit ND or outstate MN. I was just repeating them.

Langstaff told Dom Izzo he is going to play OL, not defense.

Not possible. SDSU doesn't recruit North Dakota.

It was a big local story because the kid had a Big 10 offer and chose NDSU. It is a big local story in GF when a UND commit has one other FCS offer and chooses UND. Some kids are willing to sit a year or two to go to a program that wins and develops players in the long run. Elefson probably had a pretty good idea he would have to wait his turn, He may never be the one go to TE with Jensen this year and Gindorff in the wings and how NDSU spreads it out to all of their receivers, tight ends and backs. That doesn't mean he is a bust or not any good. NDSU has had players that don't see the field in their first 2 or 3 years and end up in the NFL.

UNI and both SD schools found and offered Yohnke this year and Elefson and Gindorff recently, so yes, they do recruit Northern MN.

Nobody really knows how good kids are going to be until they get on campus and get a couple of years into the program. But, does it concern you that all 8 of UND’s commitments are from regions heavily recruited by area MVFC schools (NDSU, SDSU, UNI, USD), and none of them have an offer from any of those schools. I think 7 of the 8 have no other D1 offers.

I guess I will trust Klieman and his staffs evaluations of talent and potential.

I don't know, but I would guess not. Tom Miller would have led with it in his column if they had beat out anybody for him.

Must be a bad year for LB's in MN. If you believe Gopherhole, there is exactly one D1 offer for LB's in the State of MN this year, and that is the one from UND to Navratil.

Then why won’t the state allow the schools to use state money for athletic facilities?

Just wondering why the State of ND would fund athletics at UND to the tune of $8 million compared to $4 million at NDSU? Seems like both should be equal.

My question is why is UND so reliant on funds from the state? 43% compared to 29% for NDSU. You are right, if the state continues to lower funding to Higher Ed, it will affect UND much more than NDSU.

The Fargodome is actually generally profitable and pays for most upgrades on their own, and they don't take 52% of the FB, BB and VB ticket revenue. I know, I don't get it. It really does take collecting 52% of all ticket revenue from a school to make n arena function. UND is on the cutting edge and when all other schools realize they are doing it wrong, they will feel like fools. But I for one am sure glad NDSU didn't get the kind of "donation" UND got from the Engelstad's.

I do realize that there are expenses to selling tickets. But if those expenses are costing you 52% of the ticket revenue, you are doing it wrong. The staff at the REA selling FB tickets will be there anyway selling for other events. If it would take say 5 to 10% that would be reasonable for FB tickets. If UND hired one or two people to sell FB tickets on their own, maybe it would cost them 15 to 20%, not anywhere close to 52%.

I would just ask supporters of this ticket revenue practice to find other D1 schools that have 52% of their ticket revenue taken off the top by the venue they PLAY THE EVENTS in, much less events they have nothing to do with putting on the event. It is a fair question.

That is true, but my guess is if UND threatened to move BB and VB, the REA’s response would be “where are you going to play hockey”. But you are right, they both need each other.

I get it now. I wouldn't have pegged the Engelstads as re-distributionists, but that is what they are doing. They want to collect most of the athletic revenue at UND and then donate the extra revenue, after all of their expenses are covered, back to UND so they can earmark it for the hockey program, Genius.

Because they wanted the arena so badly they would have agreed to anything. Now they need The Ralph and The Betty so badly they have to agree to anything the REA puts in front of them. Hockey, volleyball and mens and womens basketball would be without a home without them. UND has ZERO bargaining power and the REA is taking full advantage, But don't worry, I am sure the REA will use some of that FB ticket revenue to put in a new hot tub in the mens hockey locker room. Maybe even put one in Berry's office.

So if the REA foundation is so generous with their money, why not just say we will take a reasonable percentage of ticket revenue from events held at REA or The Betty, maybe 25%, and not any from football. If they can't recover operating expenses from that ticket revenue, parking and concessions revenue, plus other Non-UND events, that is ok, That would be just an additional donation?

52% of all of UND FB ticket revenue ends up with the REA. So in reality, nobody knows where that 52% ends up. UND should collect all of the FB ticket revenue and pay the Alerus rent fro the days they have games there. But it sounds like UND administrators really wanted the $100 million arena "gift" that they were willing to give the REA anything they wanted. They will continue to struggle funding sports other than mens hockey until the ridiculous ticket revenue agreement expires. No venue should be entitled to that much of the ticket revenue even if they are hosting the event.

Examples? We should probably focus on the current staffs at both schools since they are the only ones relevant today. I don't care what Bohl, Hager, Thomas or Mussman did. They are long gone.

Well I guess there are enough "pompous a-holes" to fill a section of seats the students gave up with more wanting tickets on a waiting list. And that one section will generate just about as much revenue as the UND football program will generate in ticket revenue for the entire season.Like it or not, NDSU football is like UND hockey. There are NDSU football fans that are UND hockey fans, always have been, and there are a growing number of UND hockey fans that are becoming NDSU football fans, I work with several UND fans that back in the 1990's and early 2000's followed and went to UND FB games. They don't care about UND FB anymore, They actually follow NDSU now and have gone to some games and are regular tailgaiters when they can't get tickets.

Maybe Bubba needs a better recruiting coordinator than Gundy1124...

Actually you said these two kids are too slow and have no chance to play LB at the FCS level. I would say 15 FCS coaches in one case and in the other just as many FCS, FBS and even a couple of P5 schools disagree with you. Even your head coach would disagree with you. I would take their talent evaluation skills over yours.

Well I stand corrected. I guess Klieman and his staff don't have a clue what they are doing. But I guess these kids have a lot of schools and staffs fooled, even the Almighty Bubba, so I guess they shouldn't feel too bad.