Redneksioux
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Just now, Bison06 said:
Being charged and being convicted are two very different things.
I’m no attorney, but I’d say they have a pretty easy defense given the laws on the books.
The reason they are invited to speak is exactly what’s happening in this thread. You don’t like them or agree with their actions so you are trying to take away their rights. ie Cancel culture.
Cancel culture is a real problem and at times subverts people’s rights when the mob doesn’t like what they’ve said.(doxing)
Give them their day in court sure. I do disagree with their actions and am fine letting the court decide whether they are responsible enough to be gun owners. They can speak at the RNC all they want, I'm sure they will represent well.
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12 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
It seems like you are conflating what you personally would do and what they by definition have a “right” to do.
In Missouri, the presence of a fence constitutes a warning to would be trespassers. If they breach said fence they are now criminally trespassing and could be arrested and held civilly and criminally liable.In reading further, Missouri has a “castle doctrine” law on the books that allows property owners to use physical force to defend their property.
These people seem well within their “rights” with their actions.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53891184
They are being charged with unlawful use of a firearm which is a felony as they did not have the right to be pointing guns at people. Also the property the protestors were on is owned by a trust that residents pay to maintain that includes private security. I doubt the McCloskey's are the paid private security. The fact that the RNC is inviting them to speak is laughable and says alot about the current state of the Republican Party.
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2 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:
so...it may be safe to say there is a substantial likelihood that these folks, as owners of the gated community, have a right to prevent trespass?
Maybe so but maybe not. It still doesn't give them the right to be pointing guns at people.
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5 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:
Who owns the gated community?
I'd assume the community or HOA? I don't believe the road or sidewalk is the couple's own private property but I could be wrong.
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5 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:
When you have a mob breaking into a gated community that has been burning and looting they have every right to have a show of force. I'm sure you'd have invited them in!
Yet this mob didn't burn or loot anything. I wouldn't have invited them in. I also wouldn't have pointed guns at them.
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17 minutes ago, 1972 said:
how in the world do you think it is not their property? its a gated community. that usually means that all residents of that community own it
I believe the road and sidewalk belong to the gated community. The protesters may have been trespassing, but they were NOT trespassing on this couple's property. The couple had no right to point their guns at hundreds of people. If you think they were in the right to point their guns at people and would do the same yourself, you should probably enroll yourself into a gun safety class before using your firearms again.
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1 minute ago, 1972 said:
wrong, it is their property. and yes i do
I certainly hope you don't point guns at people that you believe are on your property, when in all actuality they are not.
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2 minutes ago, 1972 said:
gated community= their property. and yes, yes it does.
It may be private property but it is not the couple’s property. You don’t own any guns, do you?
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1 minute ago, petey23 said:
It was a gated community so there is that.
So the gate got breached. That justifies pointing a firearm at people that have not stepped foot on your property?
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2 minutes ago, petey23 said:
These people had two options in guarding there home.
1. Come outside and show the vermin that they were armed and would protect their property in hopes that the dirt bags would move on.
2. Set up inside the home and start shooting once their home was breached.
How many homes on that block were breached?
did anyone even step foot on this couple’s property?
Any responsible firearm owner understands you only point your weapon at something you intend to shoot. These two wouldn’t be considered very responsible gun owners.
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8 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
This is really naive thinking man, I’m sorry to say. A business can’t adapt with both hands tied behind its back.
Maybe it is and I understand that they cannot operate with both hands tied behind their back. Personally I don't agree with what Walz has done with the blanket covid restrictions. I guess one could always choose to go somewhere else where they can operate the way they'd like, not like I've never heard "you don't like it, move to Canada".
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1 minute ago, bison73 said:
Its obvious you arent in the business.
I’m not in the restaurant business and won’t pretend to be.
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33 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
In Minnesota, bars and restaurants were forced closed(take out only) on March 16th. They were allowed in an extremely limited capacity to re-open on June 10th.
Closed Article: https://twincities.eater.com/2020/3/17/21183222/all-minnesota-bars-restaurants-ordered-closed-governor-tim-walz
Opening article: https://patch.com/minnesota/southwestminneapolis/livestream-walz-announce-next-steps-minnesota-covid-19
To this day restaurants have limitation on them that make them significantly less profitable if profitable at all in many cases.
Some of the best restaurants in the Minneapolis area have closed permanently.
Edit: I should add, many restaurants chose not to stay open during the “take out only” phase because there is no money in take out for many fine dining establishments. People aren’t going to pay $80 for a filet at manny’s you have it taste like junk by the time they get it home.
See but those restaurants weren’t forced to fully close, there was still room to adapt and offer takeout. And there is a way to transport a good steak. I understand the fine dining is difficult without the dining room but there are also establishments that have thrived.
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4 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
I'm not sure how much you know about small businesses, but this is absolutely not the case. Most small businesses are just like most lower income households. They are just scraping by, especially restaurants, even the really successful ones. Being asked to close your business for months and then when you do come back having a capacity reduction mandated on you is a death sentence.
I bartended in college and got to know our GM pretty well to the point where I was aware of the finances of the bar/restaurant. If we missed the revenue from one weekend a month we couldn't make ends meet. Just one weekend. Imagine closing for 2-3 months.
I know a little bit about small business, though I’m in ND where very little were required to fully close. Where were restaurants asked to fully close for 3 months?
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9 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
I suggest we do what we've done since the beginning of time.
Isolate yourself if you are vulnerable and if you are actively sick stay out of public places and/or limit your exposure to others.
Wash your hands, use good hygiene when coughing or sneezing.
This is what we've always done and now we've come full circle on Covid too. We over-reacted on a massive scale and people's lives were ruined and/or stolen from them in cases of suicide and murder rates this year. It disgusts me that nobody will ever admit that and take responsibility for the destruction they've unleashed on our society.
During the 1918 flu pandemic we did more than asking people to stay home when they were sick and to practice good hygiene though. Also you don't need to go back too far to see how other countries have overcome other viruses.
It's been said countless times on here that people dying with Covid were already on the ledge and about to die anyways. Couldn't the same be said of the businesses that have not been able to adapt or have failed during these times?
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11 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:
Keep twisting. You know those tests weren't intended for us.
Maybe they weren't intended for the US. I'm willing to guess there are alot of folks in NY that wish we would have had access to more testing early on.
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7 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
So you admit we have garbage tests yet defend making life changing decisions based on the outcome of those tests?
What's the +/- for false negatives/positives? Do you suggest we just stop testing or stop isolating those testing positive?
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3 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:
Nice topic switch. Did we take masks and PPE from the WHO's supply intended for 3rd world countries or from private businesses?
Just admit you were spreading fake news regarding the refusal of WHO tests that were never truly offered to us. And if you want to argue that Trump is a moron (in this instance: for saying the WHO tests were garbage), you'll get no argument from me.
We took PPE from the overall world supply. Also you say these were intended for third world countries but your link shows they were intended for low and middle income countries, but no country would be denied. By claiming these were intended for third world countries could also be considered fake news. The reality is that they were available and we didn't pursue them. Trump called them garbage and here we are 6 months later with garbage tests.
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2 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
A better analogue to Covid would be if a business in an area that isn't hit by a hurricane is forced to close and go bankrupt because a different area of the country is hit by a hurricane.
Closures were up to the states and local governments though. In ND/MN we are practically immune to hurricanes. We are finding out now that we are not immune to Covid.
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1 minute ago, UNDBIZ said:
Can you imagine the outcry if the most advanced country in the world took tests from a limited supply intended for 3rd world countries?
Yet we had no problem driving up bids for masks and PPE worldwide.
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Just now, Goon said:
I am sure we can somehow blame the two hurricanes in the gulf on President Trump too.
If he tells everyone down there to go business as usual and the hurricanes will magically disappear, yes we can blame him. Maybe he can draw us up a map of where he thinks the hurricanes will go:)
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1 minute ago, Goon said:
No they are. Everything is the big orange man's fault.
I don’t blame trump for you blatantly ignoring my question last Friday. I guess we could just blame that on systemic ignorance.
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1 minute ago, Bison06 said:
It's actually quite impressive the mental gymnastics that can be done to blame something on Trump these days.
The same could be said of those defending him.
Here’s an idea, if we were testing less, we’d have less bad testing happen. I wonder why no one has considered this thought process
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23 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:
Ok so we didn’t use them, trump called them bad tests which was proven to be false, and we chose to use our own tests, which have turned out to be bad tests.
Got it.
2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)
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I’m all for defending and upholding the 2nd amendment as I’m sure you are as well.
You really think putting these two front and center is going to help that cause?