Redneksioux
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4 minutes ago, TheFlop said:
So even though you feel that you are prepared to drive, can you guarantee 100% that you won't cause an accident that causes harm to someone else? Because using your mask logic..... unless you can (which you can't) you shouldn't be able to ever drive right?
No I cannot. But the measures I have taken greatly reduce my chances of being in that accident.
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7 minutes ago, zonadub said:
That is interesting...
You take measures to protect yourself (like wearing a mask, not going to places where large crowds are - parties, athletic events), while you are not able to control the drunk driver or texting driver in the other car that ‘could’ hit you (a person not wearing a mask). Yet you still feel enough in control of your own actions to take that calculated risk on the road. I would guess the odds are not that different.
Interesting that we don't see people coming on here saying they should be able to speed, drive recklessly, drunk, or texting. I wonder why?
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4 minutes ago, SIOUXpucks said:
No, it's not repetition of an old story, this is happening in Grand Forks and I'm hearing about it the context of very specific examples of people closely tied to it. In a video call with a co-worker a thousand miles away few days ago, he also shared knowledge of similar things happening to people he knows personally. His example was someone he knows registering to get tested, then going over a lunch hour only to have the testing so slow that they never got in before they needed to return to work, so they left w/o getting tested. Got called the next day saying they tested positive.
Who are these people in Grand Forks? Or do these people prefer to remain message board conjecture?
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21 minutes ago, Goon said:
What does that have to do with anything? I consider myself a constitutional libertarian. I believe in freedom.
It has everything to do with your opinion on the topic at hand.
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23 minutes ago, zonadub said:
Are you afraid of getting in your car and driving because you might get hit by another car? Or maybe a fender bender (the equivalent of an airborne droplet giving you asymptomatic Covid)?
Or maybe you are one of those who drive alone in your car with a mask on...
No because I'm prepared to drive. I consider myself a fairly defensive driver, I use my seatbelt, I obey the traffic laws/speed limits, I don't drive intoxicated, I limit distractions, and my vehicle has a number of safety features that were designed based on generations of testing. I even go so far as to run winter tires during the cold and icy months.
Do you feel safe when you drive? If so, why are you looking into other's cars while driving?
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12 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:
For those of you who won't leave your basement because of Covid and are scared of your own shadow Kirk Cousins is on hold for you.....line 3.
Says cousins who he himself and everyone around him are tested how often?
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2 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
What you don't realize(or maybe you do) is your logic has always applied to people's risk in society, you just haven't focused on it until the media told you to.
Thinking this way used to be seen as a sickness in it's own right, you're afraid of other people, afraid of what the world might do to you. It's not healthy.
I've been aware before the media told me, and you know that.
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2 minutes ago, TheFlop said:
Your logic is pathetic because you act like Covid is the only risk those with underlying health conditions face......newsflash it's not. If you are vulnerable, it's up to you to protect yourself. This "keep your droplets" to yourself is also a whiney worn out response you've been giving for months. The only way to not get droplets from another human being (any droplets, good, bad, Covid, whatever, is to never leave a sealed room.
Sure it's not the only risk, it's just the biggest risk to those.
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6 minutes ago, TheFlop said:
Unless it recently changed estimates were running that the test was only accurate about 2/3 of the time.
This sounds like a problem. So why is the White House's coronavirus task force not addressing this instead of trying to reduce the number of people tested?
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31 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
Your logic would only follow if people were somehow forced to interact with others. In 2020, if you want to never be in the same room as another human, you don't have to.
If you're scared or believe you are at risk due to pre-existing conditions then don't go. Let the rest of us live our lives and decide what our own risk tolerance is.
What percentage of people in the US have underlying conditions making them high risk with covid? And what about essential workers? Should they stay home in their basements too? Live your lives I don't care. Just keep your droplets to yourself.
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5 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
I'll answer that this way.
If I have a severe peanut allergy, I can control my own environment. I can make sure that nothing enters my home or my vehicle or any other space I have control over. Furthermore, I can make rules for those who want to be around me in my spaces that they will follow those to a T or I will be very sick and/or die.
If however, I decide to go to a grocery store or a football game, I don't have the right to ask every person in the store or in the stadium to follow my rules. I, in those situations, have to protect myself from the part of the world that leaves me vulnerable.
This is exactly how I suggest people handle Covid-19.
How many of those allergic to peanuts have died from walking by peanut butter in the grocery store, or by going to a football game where peanuts are served?
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2 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
I find that people's level of wanting to get back to normal is in direct proportion to how directly their life has been affected by the lockdowns.
If you live in a county in Minnesota with zero deaths or near zero deaths, can you understand the pure fury and rage you would feel if you've gone bankrupt over this?
When my son can go to preschool with no mask on, students everywhere doing what kids do, breathing on each other swapping spit and other bodily fluids because of poor hygiene, but he can't go to kindergarten under the exact same circumstances.
When I can enroll my son in a private school kindergarten, literally across the street from the public school he should be allowed to go into.
Yeah, when all of these logically ridiculous occurrences are taking place in the name of keeping people safe when all those people would have to do is protect themselves, I'm gonna be slightly upset and I think it's justified.
Can't disagree with any of this. But how do you suggest people protect themselves?
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10 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
No, of course not.
I simply do not buy the notion that this virus is as deadly as we are being told, I think we have massively overreacted for political reason and I'm tired of watching lives being ruined.
We can't beat death. We have to decide how much risk we are willing to take in our lives and decide to let others do the same within reason. We have to be done with this.
I understand that everyone dies. There's things we do that bring on death quicker and there's things we can do to prolong life. I understand that sometimes death can be out of one's control.
Trust me, I'd like to be done with this as well. But as I've heard, it is what it is. Some believe the deaths are under-counted, while others believe they are over-counted. I'm tired of watching lives being ruined as well, but to think we are just instantly going to go back to pre-covid normal is not realistic.
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3 minutes ago, Goon said:
I think we need to do an accounting of the death toll. I've also wondered if we check those numbers there was some over counting of deaths.
Interesting, let me guess you vote right instead of left?
The medical experts reports I've seen say we are under-counting covid deaths.
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3 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
And Covid deaths are counted when someone tests positive for the virus, even if that test is flawed, and then die from complications.
So if they are counted in different ways why do people continue to say Covid deaths far outweigh Influenza deaths when it's not an apples to apples comparison and is somewhat irrelevant?
What percentage of the tests are believed to be flawed? Would you agree that the White House's coronavirus task force should be more concerned about figuring this out instead of reducing the number of people tested?
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2 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
It doesn't take into account everything I'm talking about. Influenza numbers as you say are estimated(underestimated, which is agreed upon by every expert) by a mathematical formula as you've said, that's true. But if we are counting Covid deaths as someone who dies and also has a Covid positive test, yet we have damn good evidence to support that many of these positive tests are false positives, it becomes quite clear that can lead to a serious problem.
The truth is, we wont know until 2022 or 2023 when the 2020 death statistics are compiled if these deaths being counted as Covid, because they tested positive for it, are truly causing an increase in deaths or if they are simply replacing the deaths that would be counted in other categories in previous years.
So are you implying we should wait 2-3 years before making any decisions on how we act/react?
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8 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
How do you think influenza deaths are counted each year? Hint: it isn't by having influenza listed on the death certificate like it is with covid.
I understand that. If they counted flu deaths the same way they count Covid deaths we'd have between 3,000 to 16,000 flu deaths annually. Instead they take that actual number and multiply it by 6 due to undertesting. Still well below Covid deaths.
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2 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
And even with the latest CDC clarification on the unique nature of their counting of deaths, you continue to believe this?
What CDC clarification are you referring to?
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1 minute ago, Bison06 said:
And this asymptomatic spread is at a higher rate than other respiratory viruses that we've lived with our entire lives?
I don't know. What I do know is it's killing more than any other respiratory virus that we've lived with our entire lives.
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4 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
Just another group of experts that you choose to ignore?
It was a statement from one person. Sure I heard it, but based on asymptomatic spread being documented as already happening, I didn't buy into her statement.
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3 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
So when the WHO came out and said that asymptomatic carrier spread was "extremely rare", that didn't change anything in your mind about this notion?
Nope.
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2 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:
Not disagreeing with your first point at all. It's a virus. It's not going to be eradicated. A vaccine will still leave well over 50% of the population at risk. You want the end game to be zero caes. That's obvious. That's ignorant.
Zero cases would be nice, but I understand not realistic. Let's put it this way, I'd like less cases instead of more.
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6 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
So if two expert groups come out in opposition to each other, how do you personally choose who to believe?
I believe asymptomatic carriers can spread the virus and that is a problem. Oxbow would like you to believe that is an ignorant stance though since Altru has just three patients hospitalized with covid right now though. Big picture, I know.
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1 minute ago, Bison06 said:
So the CDC comes out with recommendations that the director of the CDC disagrees with? What sort of show are they running over there?
That's a good question for the White House's coronavirus task force.
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Who is insisting on zero chance of catching Covid? It was a little too late for that a long time ago.