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When the nickname represents the sports teams and the only thing that will be drug down by keeping the nickname is the sports teams than I would say that its a major loss. They kind of go together. Some were DaveKs and Fletchs not long ago but as the whole situation around the nickname has changed, opinions are allowed to change as well. Just like Hakstol, I don't think any of us want the name to go, but the costs of keeping it now outweigh the benefits. If the Big Sky drops UND, Minnesota and Wisconsin along with others stop scheduling, and top recruits stop signing, DaveK and Fletch get to go about their everyday business and lose nothing. Hakstol, Mussman and others will have to deal with it head on and will be the ones who get questioned on why their programs are suffering. I'll take the opinion of those with some skin in the game over those posting under false screen names and nothing to lose everytime.

Wow Dave, I really hope you are kidding with some of these posts. There have been more people who have devoted more of their time and energy into UND programs than you ever will who have come out and openly admit it is time to change the name. Hakstol, Mussman, Lennon, Kleinsasser, O'Keefe, Martinson, Williamson and Klosterman come to mind right away. Don't forget Lamoureux admitting the team wasn't at all concerned about what was on their jersey before regionals started. These are guys have invested more "heart and soul" into building the nickname than you ever have and they are willing to part ways with it. I don't think they are selling their souls, I'd say they are able to not let emotion blind them and are willing to let UND do whats best for the athletic dept. They actually care about UND athletics, not the nickname attached to it.

I think the NCAA probably made it pretty clear in their 15 minute meeting with Al Carlson and the boys that they weren't budging on their stance. The timeframe of the agreement had passed. Even if Al won't talk about the meeting now, everyone was in agreement when they came back on where the NCAA stood.

Of course many were still in fight mode. We are proud of our athletic teams and very proud of the name. Did you think the name was just going to change without a fight? Do you think Bison fans would not let their emotions get in the way of their better judgement on an issue like this? I doubt it. I watched your fanbase spend two months writing newspaper articles, doing interviews and coming up with all types of conspiracy theories of why UND was voted into a poll. I can't imagine the emotion that would be shown on something such as the nickname.

I don't see the NCAA expanding the punishment to the entire state cause I don't think they want to drag anyone else into this. But as others have mentioned, when you have a school who is trying to retire the name and get off the list but isn't being allowed to do that by the state, maybe the entire state should fall under the same sanctions. Like I said though, I am not holding my breath that this happens nor do I want it to happen.

It will probably be about the same feeling as UND losing the opportunity to host a playoff event as a result of a state-wide vote.

And you think that the legislature gaining control of the University system will make this any better? Remember, your words, not mine....no whining.

I've said UND has had opportunities to get rid of the name in the past and missed taking advantage of those. When Carlson introduced his law however UND was retiring the name. They were doing their part of the agreement with the NCAA, what more do you want. Are you saying everyone who voted for the state law in the legislature was a UND fan? Also, everyone who signed the petition to repeal the repeal was a UND fan? So not everyone who drug this out was a UND fan. I've stated many times that UND deserves their fare share of the blame but there is also plenty more to go around to some people who are none UND fans.

Wyo, you are correct on this and have been very consistent with this from the start. Carlson used this emotional issue as a cover for what he really wants and there are UND and NDSU fans alike that can't see through it. In my opinion the education in the next 3 months starts there, the conference affiliation and scheduling conflicts along with other sanctions are also very important. Hopefully though when the Carlson's gang start flexing their muscle, guys like BisonDan and Johnson344 just "take it on the chin" like they recommend UND fans should have been willing to do when the retirement of the nickname began.

All universities will get funding cut. NDSU's been asking for more money but I'm sure the will just "take it on the chin and quit whining" when Carlson gets power. If they only see what Carlson is doing as a nickname issue than so be it I guess.

If the vote passes and Al's plan to gain control of the university system continues I can't wait until NDSU funding gets cut even further. I hope your president and fans just "take it on the chin."

I don't think there is an argument about earlier opportunities to remove the name the current UND leadership was following the agreement that was made with the NCAA and taking action to retire the name. Just like other institutions that a name change has taken place there was a lot of emotion regarding the change. Illinois, Miami or even Dickinson St. changed their names and there was a lot of emotion from alumni and fans were displeased at the time and fought the change. Carlson used this emotional as a pawn in his game to get University control back to the legislature so he can control funding. Him speaking out about his meeting with the NCAA would go a long way in truely letting the people of North Dakota know where the NCAA stands on this but he is not going to do that. He knows they won't budge but without the vote passing, his plan will not be able continue. In my opinion, his may not be NDSU's issue now and I truely believe that there will also be NDSU fans who vote NO on the issue just to put it to rest. But if Carlson gets his way there will come a time that NDSU will be on the other side of the fence on an issue where Carlson and the legislature has power. It won't be a good feeling.

Looks like this is going to vote. Sounds like it will be on the June ballot.

Your right, if this was similar UND fans would run down NDSU's success in wrestling (sport we don't have) and talk constantly about wishing your wrestling team fails, to try and make us feel better about our programs. But we'll save our time and just beat you on the court. Judging by your reaction those losses this season really stung didn't they? And not to bring it up again but your players couldn't even leave UND out of their minds after they won the Nat'l championship. And on a day UND shouldn't even have been anywhere in discussion, it was brought up by players and fans to prove NDSU tries to compare themselves to UND anyway they can.

This post pretty much sums up how Bison fans let their emotions get the best of them and post with no intelligence about a sport they "don't care about." First of all, it doesn't matter if you like hockey or not, people who are hockey fans will tell you U of M and UND are a big deal when it comes to the sport. You trying to argue that shows your jealousy of a program that you know nothing about. Second, so there wasn't a sellout on a Sunday evening game that was nationally televised. Not everyone is going to take Monday off of work or make the drive after the game and get home at 2:00 in the morning. I guess after a season when UND beats both your volleyball team and your basketball team you'll can do whatever you have to do to try and make yourself feel better about your favorite college.

I really liked them as well. Would like to see the other colors but the white ones were sharp and the picture that leaked definately did not do them justice.

I'm excited spring ball is here. After looking at the roster and depth chart a couple thoughts: - this year its important to get a couple of the 2's to step up on the d-line. we lose some good seniors there and its an important position. - the o-line is set for the next few years. The coaches have done a great job building depth there and its no wonder we only brought in 1. Looking at that depth chart and it seems there are about 8 or 9 with starting experience. - safety will be a question mark this year. Wide open competition. - I'm really liking our skill guys on offense. A lot of talent and a lot of youth. - No listing for Belmore's replacement. Luke is listed as the WR coach which I'm sure has WR's and TE's.

I bet FSU would jump right on this and give us permission. They are probably just waiting to see how they could get involved in this circus. Loaning us their emblem would be just their chance.

This. Why would we promote another school during an event that they do not even participate in? Florida St. had nothing to do with the agreement the state of ND made with the NCAA. They crossed all their i's and dotted all their t's and the NCAA gave approval. The school, state and tribe were all on the same page from the start. Same can't be said about our past leadership at all three levels. Like I said, you might want to read it again.

I think you should read that again. Not sure where you see anything of me wanting the student athletes to destroy anything.

I wasn't aware FSU played hockey. If someone had the backbone they would wear the current UND jersey and see if the NCAA is bluffing. FSU went through the required steps and had immediate approval from their state's Seminole tribe and their state gov't immediately challenged the NCAAwhen the sanction list came out. UND did not. Wearing an FSU shirt wouldn't change that.

No matter how many excuses you try and come up with.........59>54

Let us know if you hear anything about how testing goes today. Will be interesting to hear some of the numbers of our skill guys.

The tribes had an opportunity a few years ago to speak up and be heard about how honored they were by the name. They chose not to and the timeframe for the agreement past. The NCAA is following an agreement that was in place.

I would love to see grey and green added as an alternate jersey.