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Jemison had his dong out in public. End of story. Get him off the team. That is it. Simple as that.

A lot also depends on the conversation Bohl had with the kids. Ojuri will probably get in a lot more hot water than the others considering his past. And don't call Ojuri a possible All-American. He splits carries.

Don't pretend he would be easily replaceable. He's a proven 1000 yard back with a ton of talent. There is a reason he is still around after hitting his limit in strikes. Even though his troubles have been kept pretty quiet, I live in Fargo and they are not big of a secret.

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From the articles I am reading in the forum, they seem to make it pretty clear that no charges have been officially filed at this point in time. Does that dampen anyone's aggessiveness on getting these kids punished as fast as possible?

It certainly does for me. And yes I realize that Coach Bohl dismissed Jemison before any official charges were filed, but from my sources I understand that there was a conversation making Coach Bohl believe that it happened and charges would be filed very soon after. These kids may never be charged with a crime, should they still be punished?

Have charges been filed vs. Jimison??

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One thing that keeps getting overlooked here is no one has been charged with anything. So they are suppose to be suspended though they have not been charged, much less convicted?

The thing you are overlooking is your head coach just released a backup player coming off of hip surgery a couple weeks ago before he was ever charged with anything, much less convicted. Do you understand how it looks to someone who isn't blinded by green and gold glasses?

Backup who will see the field in special teams and has no prior incidents- don't let the process play out.

Starters (which includes possibly 2 All-Americans one of which is on strike 5)- we better let the process play out before reacting. I understand that they are two different situations but Jemison may not even go to court or have to have a plea deal, more than likely these 8 are going to face something.

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The only reason I brought him into it was because someone said UND would never allow someone to be above the University. I pointed out that Herr Engelstad was allowed to at one time.

I have stuck to the belief that these guys will get some suspensions if(when) they are found guilty or get their deal settled. Not worth trashing NDSU for specifically saying they want to see what happens with this before they make a decision on the players.

They like to take the wait and see for starting players. Backups coming off of hip surgery its ok to take the guilty until proven innocent approach.

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And you are assuming like a complete idiot that they won't be punished! Just cause something isn't done immediately after the news hit the public doesn't mean nothing is going to happen. I guess some people would rather some rash immediate action taken....I'm not one of them. I'd like to wait until we know more, and then punish each player accordingly.

And you are assuming a punishment is going to happen. Bohl has set his precedent in the past that a DUI for a contributing player is only a one game suspension (removal from the team if its a backup who will never see the field but according to Bison06 he has always been very consistent with his punishments). By your own admission a DUI is much worse than this so why are you so sure a punishment is going to happen? I wouldn't be so quick to call anyone an idiot right now cause I don't see anything happening during this season and if you feel a punishment during spring ball is sending a strong enough message to 4 players who are already starting this year than I question who is the idiot.

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Who is pointing fingers at UND? Have you even read any my posts? Or as usual are any Bison comments on this board all lumped together and attributed to us all? I have said all morning the guilty players WILL be suspended, mark my words. Then what will you have to say? He should have suspended them earlier?

You can remember it differently if you like, but Shamen wasn't much of a factor after his knee surgery and most if not all of his trouble came post knee surgery.

You are too busy peering down on NDSU from your ivory tower to see reality. The only reason I am here talking about this is to point out inaccuracies and to defend my favorite team. Doesn't mean this has anything to do with UND.

Have you spent any time on your own fan board or have you been too busy here to read the posts by some about this being UND fault or those dragging UND past into the conversation? Regarding suspensions, I'll wait unil they actually happen before I gve you a high five and tell you that you were right. If I were a betting man it either won't be this year or in a game that matters.

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There is no conspiracy here. Shamen was a non-factor at the time of his trouble. Garret was young and yes had potential, but it isn't as though he was a major contributor yet, so it would have been easy to give him a bigger suspension without hurting the team. Not sure about the facts on the other two examples.

Coach Bohl has been as consistent as the offenses players have committed have allowed him to be. You all are making this so much more than it is.

Next time this sort of thing happens at UND, and it will happen, I'll be sure to save all of these posts so you guys can read them.

We wouldn't want any inconsistencies to be a scar on the face of your integrity at UND.

Please do. And we'll be sure to save all the posts of finger pointing at UND, not putting any of this responsibility on the players, going back 2+ years to find examples of something happening at UND similar to this and the comments by your coach and AD that this isn't that big of a deal. Instead of worrying about how UND would handle this, if I was a former ndsu player such as yourself, I would worry about my program and the players on my team.

Also, when a UND player gets in trouble again, and we all know it will happen. You don't have to worry about saving anything because there will be 15 threads started about it on Bisonville. Just like this story, it always has something to do with UND.

Edit: Also Shamen was still a starter, Johnson was still a stud and this was prior to Best Buy and the details on the others are accurate but maybe this was the one time Bohl wasn't consistent with his punishments.

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This is exactly the point that I have been trying to make all morning, but it doesn't seem to sink in. Up until yesterday, you could have copied and pasted that sentence and put Bohl where you put Mussman.

This is what leads me to believe that Bohl has reason to believe this situation is different. Because of his track record on disciplinary actions, he has earned that right.

Based on Mussman's history, if it came out tomorrow that a few players were involved in some legal matter and he said we are going to let this one play out a bit before we dish out punishments.Wouldn't the only logical conclusion you could make be that Mussman must know more about this than you do and you should trust him because he has always handled these well in the past?

I know you are blinded by NDSU hatred, but at least give Coach Bohl the same consideration you would give your own coach in that matter.

The situation and the players I described did not happen at UND. It was how Bohl handled his DUI incidents. Starting WR Shamen Washington suspended 1 game. DE with a ton of potential Garret Johnson suspended 1 game. The qb everyone wanted to name starter at the time who also had a couple previous minors Jose Mohler suspended 2 games. Backup QB Troy Jackson who everyone knew wasn't going to see the field, released from the team. I am basing my opinion on how Bohl is handling this to how he has handled past occurances.

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I am not trying to drag UND into it at all. My intial question was, would you be as quick to judge if it happened to UND, a perfectly fair question as I feel the reason posters on this board are saying Bohl is running "rogue program" is because of personal bias and not based in fact.

I'm happy that the UND coaching staff has always been consistent with their punishments to players regardless if they are a starter, a backup, just coming off hip surgery, etc. Based on Mussman's past it wouldn't matter if lets say the starting qb, starting wr, backup de with potential or backup qb all committed the same offense, they would all be treated and punished the same.

[Week 2: Potato Bowl 2012 - UND vs. Portland State]

When more than 1900 students show up regularly, then the $5/ticket thing gets tricky, but until then it’s not a big deal. Although it is only Wednesday, I'm not hearing as good of things as I did last week in terms of student interest in the game - hopefully that changes. This game will be a huge indication; if a lot of students show up for two home games in a row (especially with this one on a Sat. night and with most of the 'UND hockey-only-brats' being more interested in partying and talking about the NHL rather than watching football live) then I'll be convinced student interest/attendance is back where it needs to be.

I'm hoping the fact that it is a short week and everything being shut down on Monday has a lot to do with the student ticket situation this week. Hopefully things pick up today and tomorrow. Its going to be an entertaining game.

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It doesn't say he thinks it is more serious. It shows that he is in a position to gather information and make an intelligent decision on whether or not a player's circumstances warrant a suspension. CSU isn't even the toughest game on our schedule and it may end up that putting this off will come back to bite the team in the ass. What if their punishment comes down during a conference game? Will you still be spouting off about lack of integrity? How about you let the situation play out before shouting from your high horse?

I am so glad that you personally GUARANTEE UND would handle this differently. Now we know exactly how UND would respond.

Bohl is letting 8 situations play out right now and didn't let one play out 2 weeks ago. Inconsistencies. And stop trying to drag UND into this. Coach Mussman does not have to decide how to handle this situation cause the name of 8 UND football players is not in the paper and all over the news. You are asking a hypothetical question and wanting an answer. We don't know how Mussman would handle this cause he didn't have to have a press conference yesterday to address the issues, Bohl and Taylor did.

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Like I said, I think that Ojuri should get the hammer(and possibly the boot) and Jemison got what he deserved. The rest of these guys, at most, deserve a game or two. I'm sure they will and I hope it is for the cupcake game.

Ojuri already got the hammer, worked wonders.

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Sounds like some people are trying to make it into a huge deal rather than looking at what it really is. It is some college kids being lazy. I'm not saying they shouldn't be punished, but I don't think anyone(other than IMO Ojuri) should be given the boot.

Just my opinion but if someone put my signiture on something without my authorization I would be pretty pissed off and wouldn't think it is not that big of a deal.

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Great, so when they find out exactly who did what then punishments will be handed out. Why are we so quick to rush to judgement these days? I'll admit I am a little disappointed with the inconsistency in punishments between different situations, but you have to admit the situations are very different and not all crimes are created equally even if they technically carry the same degree of severity in the law's eyes.

I don't have to justify anything. Two weeks ago with your program, punishing a player before he "had his day in court" was just fine. Yesterday, its not.

I was responding to your post about not knowing for sure who did what and based on interviews I've heard with the AG, it isn't hard as all they have to do is look at the signiture of who is responsible for each petition.

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Sioux football insider tweeted that UND players (Garman and Ivery) missed the Mines game due to....skipping a class. The coaches do random class checks and they werent there. Talk about two different philosophies in Fargo and Grand Forks! Way to go Muss and staff!

You hit that one on the head. I think Muss's track record speaks for itself when it comes to discipline and consistency. Pretty black and white.

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So all thirteen people charged had a "high number" of errors? I find that hard to believe. It sounds to me like they don't know exactly who is guilty and who isn't at this point so how can punishments be handed out? At this point I believe that it is in the preliminary stages and Coach Bohl is justified in waiting until a few things play out.

It shouldn't be to hard to figue out who's petitions had the errors on them if you look at the signiture of the circulator. As the circulator, you are responsible for the petitions you turn it.

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I honestly don't know where to begin with all of the leaps and assumptions you have made in your post.

Let's actually look at this from a legal perspective(I am not a lawyer, so if I make assumptions I shouldn't feel free to correct me). From what I have read in the news, the entire "team" of signature collectors is being named in this. It seems as though they do not know exactly who is guilty and who was just on the "team". Let's say for example that it was just 2 of the players who actually committed fraud and the rest of them are being named as a result of being on the "team", does it make sense to suspend all of them? I like the idea of letting this one play out, not because what was done was less of a crime, but because they aren't even sure who did what at this point and it seems as though it might be quite difficult to determine. This situation is so very different than someone showing their genitals, although I would have liked to have seen that play out as well before punishment was given.

To say this shows a character flaw and that in some way this reflects leadership is asinine. What this may show is a couple of these guys were feeling lazy one sunny summer day and instead of hitting the streets to get signatures they decided to take the easy way out and sit on their butts. Good lord they are college kids. Have you ever skipped a class and then copied someones notes or had someone take your PRS clicker to a class so you still get participation points for that day? Ever had your wife take your credit card to the grocery store and sign your name? I commit fraud every day when I let my employees take the business credit card to buy office supplies. Turn me in if you want.

I am not downplaying this at all, I think it is a big deal and if found guilty the players should be punished accordingly. But don't make this out to be more than it is, a couple of kids who probably felt like taking a nap and still making their $9/hour for that day or couple of days.

I think your incorrect. When the petitions are turned they have the signitures of the circulator that Sic mentioned above. This wasn't the entire team of circulators. It was these individual circulators who had a very high number of "errors" on thier petitions.

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i am sure they all didnt know that the signature and names had to be verified. probably didnt know that it was needed to be put on an election ballot. that being said they still committed a crime. seems like a very complicated matter. there could be many factors involved in the case. so i understand bohl wanting to play it out legally. i just hope they dont go unpunished. if something does come of it which would likely be late winter, how will they be disciplined? more conditioning? 1st game of 2013? hmmm

Maybe he'll really flex his muscle and sit them during spring ball. If all they get for this is having to run a couple extra crunchers after practice it will raise some eyebrows.

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let me see but is this not a UND sports forum? Then why are we talking about the Bison for? I brought up hockey players for the simple reason if it had been a hockey player from UND you would be singing a different tune, like pissing in an elevator.

But its not. Craig Bohl had a press conference today to discuss the charges against 8 of his football players from NDSU and Gene Taylor had an interview today to discuss the charges against 8 athletes within his athletic dept. Again, nothing to do with UND or any of their athletes. If you would like to revisit items from the past we can definately compare situations within both programs via PM.

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Do you really believe that Hak would not do the same thing?

Not UND's deal. Stop trying to drag them into it. Its Gene and Craig's mess and we are seeing exactly how they would deal with it.

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I don't think they had any idea what would happen if they did what they did. They thought it was a way to make a quick buck and went for it. I agree with Taylor on this. As if most UND hockey players would know not to fake signatures. Besides Hak would still play them and don't for a minute think he wouldn't.

Two things:

1. This wasn't UND hockey players and UND has nothing to do with this conversation. Don't even try to bring them up because UND has nothing to do with this mess.
   
2. I also want to make sure I understand your thought process on this. These young men signed up for this responsibility to collect signitures voluntarily and if they would have done the job properly they would have gotten paid for their hard work and the fine job that they did. This money would have been theirs to spend however they choose to because they earned it. But since they didn't take the time to understand the job they needed to do in order to get paid, it is someone else's fault and someone else should suffer the consequences of thier actions? So my question is- how old are these kids and what exactly are they going to do when they get into the real world? Some of them are a year or two away from graduation and I know my company sure as !@#$ wouldn't hire someone who wants to get paid for the job they do and wants a pat on the back when the job goes good but is quick to point the finger when !@#$ hits the fan. And you sir aren't much better for thinking that is ok and making excuses for them.
   

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Tough break. It will be interesting to hear the entire story.

[Week 2: Potato Bowl 2012 - UND vs. Portland State]

Ticket sales seem to be going ok for the game. Ticket master shows open seats in the corners sections and 2 of the sections on about the 10 have availability. Other than that it is fairly spotty throughout. Another strong student turnout would be outstanding and hopefully being Potato Bowl will give ticket sales another boost this week for what is going to be a fun game to watch.

[Week 1 Opponent/Big Sky Scores]

Was anyone else kind of surprised that SUU only scored 3 against Utah St.? I wasn't expecting a win but thought they'd put up a few more points.

[Week 2: Potato Bowl 2012 - UND vs. Portland State]

Last nights game was the absolute best I have seen the student section at a UND game in nearly 10 years. They need to be praised for showing up and they need to hear the message that next week, a loud Alerus Center could be the difference. Last night they were startng their own chants, banging on chair backs, heckling the opposig team....doing what needs to be brought back to the Alerus. The rest of the fans need to get the same message. Last night played out how I wanted, big plays to start the game, some big hits and an absolute blowout. Everyone left with the feeling we have a pretty good football team in Grand Forks. Hopefully the other side of the field shows up next week and supports the team. Already 2 starters short on offense, we need all the help we can get. Portland St. is a good football team and this game is going to be a very good benchmark on where we are at as a program. As stated many times already, this game is a must win to get to the 7 win mark, we have to win at home. The point I wanted to make though is hopefully the coaches, players, local media and local fans let the students know how much they appreciated the support and how much they will affect the atmosphere next week in Grand Forks. I personally can't wait for the game.