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Remember when high end talent came here because we developed them into NHL ready players (Parise was advised to come here instead of Minny for that very reason). Now we are losing talent because of our system and development. The light needs to go on in someone's head or we need to strap in for a bumpy ride.

It certainly does need to be addressed - problem is do you see anyone in the coaching staff with the willingness and awareness to address this - we aren't privy to the coaching discussions but certainly not much has changed this season. And hoping the AD's office will address anything is futile. They think a 5-6 Bubba did such a good job they extended him before his contract is up. AJS points out the problem very well.

The crowd was really into both games - like the atmosphere used to be. If Berry can't use that as a recruitment tool we are in deep trouble - and also in deep trouble if we lose the crowd.

It's the rare coach who can self reflect and make changes. They are blind to their own weaknesses and in love with their "system". Strange behavior among very knowledgeable people.

All I know is that we need to hit the recruiting trail hard. Berry and Co. need to up their game.

t The fact that this is still going on at this time of the season indicates that this is now part of our "culture". The cause of this is mental not physical - lack of ability to bear down when needed.

If we would have discipline and concentration for the last minutes of a period we would have won this game. We played hard but make the exact frustrating mistakes over and over. Something wrong here. We are still puking up goals with less than two minutes left in a period.

Nailed it. And it's almost every game. The light just never goes on with this group.

Some of what to fix is behind the scenes and can only be identified by us by what we can see (culture). What we can see is a lack of mental toughness - horrible lack of discipline for inopportune penalties, defense repeatedly out of place even this late in the season, lackadaisical passes, giving up leads and failure to concentrate during the first and last two minutes of periods. Other concerns are that we can see are lack of development among returners, getting beat to many blue chippers, total lack of goalie recruitment, and our outdated style of play. It worries me that we are losing high end talent because of our outdated philosophy. How to fix it is harder but we have an experienced coaching staff who need to figure it our and right soon. I hope our coaches aren't so rigid that they cant make changes. No way we shouldn't be able to sell our program to high end prospects.

Nailed it - And the lapses on defense have not gotten better during the season which frustrates me to no end. Add in total lack of discipline for stupid penalties and you have this season in a nutshell. The question is will Berry have enough insight and flexibility to look at what is happening and make changes or will we just more of the same?

Here's the million dollar question - Does hockey Bubba have the introspection to question why we are losing Blue Chippers who want to play under a better system, why we have the worst goaltending in the country, why many players have regressed during the offseason, why we seem to rely on the portal instead of getting top recruits, why we play with absolutely no discipline - from lack of defensive positioning to lazy passes to giving up leads to our studs taking horrible 5 penalties without regard to the team? Can he look at himself and staff and make changes? Or is he more like Football Bubba who doubles down for more of the same. I hope he can take a hard look at things or we need to strap in for a bumpy ride. And expect no help from our absent AD. There is absolutely no reason we should miss the playoffs or expect St. Clown to come in and kick our A**. Time to get it done or move on.

How do you like us now?

Which makes you wonder - are we mid-judging them, are we putting them in a system that doesn't work for them, or are we not developing them?

This really illustrates how far our recruiting has dropped off - I knew it was down but come on - we need to get our program back on track. Berry and Co. need to figure it out right soon.

It's not the climate as much as Berry's playing style - Denver let's them play, we seem to stifle scorers.

That is the Million Dollar Question. I would have bet all I had that we would never have the worst goaltending in the country.

Of course there is more to it - like selling our program, tradition, facilities, fan base, high profile destination games, player development, and the chance to be in the hunt every year. If our coaches can't do that then we need new coaches. Of course things have changed but when we are going to St. Clown and expecting to get our a**** kicked there is something not right.

Exactly this - and it makes me worry about the future of our program. We used to be the program that Blue Chippers went to in order to develop into NHL players (remember Parise) - now we're not and players know it. The odds of Berry adapting are slim and none. It always amazes me that many coaches who are extremely knowledgeable have a huge blind spot when it comes to their "system". Time to right this ship before we slip any more. Recruiting will become increasingly difficult - just look at our inability to recruit and develop a top goalie.

Lack of improvement not only from last year to this year but from game to game this year is a big concern.

And what's worse is that they have been doing this all season long - Absolutely no corrections - game after game. And we have many veterans on the team. What happens between reviewing game film and the next game because we are back to doing the exact same things and getting burned.

Our attempts at break-outs last night were brutal.

And if so maybe he shouldn't

So - it's come down to this - We have the best facilities, the best attendance and a fan base that travels like no other, destination games, 8 Nattys, and a proven system of developing NHL talent and we are anticipating an ass-kicking from St. Cloud? After watching tonight's game something is seriously wrong with our program - and nothing is changing especially our play. Time to clean house? Sadly Chaves likes to renew 5-6 coaches.

We didn't used to be - but now????

So - this is our culture now? We seriously need a change - chances it will happen - 0%. All the talk about defensive responsibility - good one.