dmksioux
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You know a 350,000 dollar payout is great, but have you guys thought about the expense to GET down there in the first place? It's probably close to or more than 1/2 of that just to get down there when everything is said and done. Just something to ponder!
I'm not sure but I believe most of these games also state the home team will pick up travel expenses. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this...
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I would like to be positive but there are just too many question marks on offense...
TT: 63
UND: 3
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Who cares if it is true? I personally don't give a rat's ass what Ralph's done. The Ralph is awesome, but it's not the be all end all for Sioux hockey. UND did perfectly fine without Ralph Engelstad's money. If the Sioux had to play hockey on the outdoor rink down the road they'd still beat the hell out of the WCHA.
I agree...UND had the hockey tradition before the new Ralph. We actually haven't won a National Championship since it's been open (which some think is because of a curse). Ralph did some questionable things in his lifetime, but who of us hasn't. Ralph also did some very generous things in his life as well. His legacy is what it is, I'm not going to defend nor can anyone change it. It's also not up to me to judge what he did with his life and money.
I'm not sure why people keep bringing this up? Do these people think that UND should have declined the money for the arena? Should they also have declined the money he gave for educational purposes? How about the wheelchairs he donated? I could go on and on.
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I am sure this has already been posted but I didnt want to wade through all the threads to check....
Another bit I found interesting from the video was the Seminole tribe member who states that if a person named their child after someone, the person is typically honored that their name was chosen. Opponents claim that using Native Americans as mascots dehumanizes them or puts them on the same level as animal mascots. I find it kind of interesting that there are many Native Americans who use animals in their own names. Native Americans actually use many animals as sacred symbols hold them in high regard. Not really sure where I'm going with this, I guess I find the arguement that mascots dehumanize people as being kind of silly.
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According to the article and his bville profile, they are not the same age either. Doesn't mean they are not related though...I agree that it is a sad story.
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So on his blog, grandforksguy says they are painting the Alerus Center green. Has anyone else heard this? Are they painting the concrete parts of the exterior and leaving the silver corrugated metal?
I saw that to and was a bit puzzled. I'm not sure if it's the outside or if it's the inside (the yellowish part) that he is referring to.
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My guess is that if Mr. Murphy adopts the nickname debate for his platform for the general election, the nickname supporters will start to pressure Ron HHIT to strike a deal with the university prior to the election or else risk being voted out of his current position of Tribal Chair. Whether or not this comes to fruition and whether or not Ron HHIT wants to play ball is yet to be determined.
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2 votes?!! We were 2 votes shy of never having to hear from Ron His Donkey's Farting again?!!
They stated the votes haven't been certified yet so they are not official. With the way the tribal elections are run...who knows...perhaps he was on the short side of the vote.
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When were the tribal elections to take place? Wasn't that supposed to be July 15 (yesterday), or am I mistaken?
The Standing Rock Election did take place yesterday. I haven't found a link, but according to WDAY/WDAZ this morning, Charlie Murphy had the most votes 500 some, Ron HHIT had like 223, and Avis Little Eagle had 221. If I heard correctly, the top two vote getters move on to the main election in September. I am also not sure what stance the other two candidate have in regards to the Sioux name.
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Schedule Released with some choice home games:
Perhaps, NM State, W Kentucky, Arizona State, Drake, Gonzaga, and Tulane are on tap for a GF visit next year?
Thu, Oct 29 Jamestown College (Exh.) Grand Forks, N.D. TBA
Wed, Nov 04 Minnesota, Crookston Grand Forks, N.D. TBA
Fri, Nov 13 Green Bay Grand Forks, N.D. 4 p.m.
Sun, Nov 15 Wisconsin at Madison, Wis. TBA
Wed, Nov 18 Wyoming Grand Forks, N.D. 7 p.m.
Mon, Nov 23 New Mexico State at Las Cruces, N.M. TBA
Wed, Nov 25 Gonzaga at Spokane, Wash. TBA
Sun, Nov 29 Ball State Grand Forks, N.D. 2 p.m.
Wed, Dec 02 Western Kentucky at Bowling Green, Ky. TBA
Mon, Dec 07 Mayville State Grand Forks, N.D. TBA
Wed, Dec 09 Arizona State at Tempe, Ariz. 7 p.m.
Sun, Dec 13 Drake at Des Moines, Iowa 2:05 p.m.
Fri, Dec 18 Northern Arizona Grand Forks, N.D. 7 p.m.
Tulane DoubleTree Classic
Mon, Dec 28 TBA at New Orleans, La. TBA
Tue, Dec 29 TBA at New Orleans, La. TBA
Sat, Jan 02 Toledo Grand Forks, N.D. 2 p.m.
Mon, Jan 04 Eastern Michigan at Ypsilanti, Mich. TBA
Fri, Jan 08 Seattle Grand Forks, N.D. TBA
Thu, Jan 14 Utah Valley * at Orem, Utah TBA
Sat, Jan 16 South Dakota * at Vermillion, S.D. TBA
Sat, Jan 23 South Dakota * Grand Forks, N.D. TBA
Thu, Jan 28 Texas-Pan America * at Edinburg, Texas TBA
Sat, Jan 30 Houston Baptist * at Houston, Texas TBA
Thu, Feb 11 New Jersey Tech * Grand Forks, N.D. TBA
Sat, Feb 13 Chicago State * Grand Forks, N.D. TBA
Tue, Feb 16 Seattle at Seattle, Wash. TBA
Sat, Feb 20 Utah Valley * Grand Forks, N.D. TBA
Thu, Feb 25 Chicago State * at Chicago, Ill. TBA
Sat, Feb 27 New Jersey Tech * at Newark, N.J. TBA
Thu, Mar 04 Houston Baptist * Grand Forks, N.D. TBA
Sat, Mar 06 Texas-Pan America * Grand Forks, N.D.
Good looking schedule...any idea what happened to the Vermont game?
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I understand that we should all be prepared for some bad news regarding Murray!
I guess we're bringing in a JUCO...perhaps due to Murray's status?
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I see much merit in star2city's assessment. I, too, think the Big Sky has a vested interest in western FCS schools retaining and strengthening their viabilities. I had not considered the possibility of UND's being an associate member in football only. That sounds okay to me. Question is: UND would still need a viable travel partner.
Not that I think that it will ever happen, but USD could be the potential travel partner.
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Tell that to McGovern's and Tom Reeds, because they were hopping the whole weekend.
I recall that Aleries (although a few blocks away) was quite busy as well
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This is a very difficult question and the answer is very long. If you want the short version skip to the last paragraph for the summary.
I wish that UND could be the Fighting Sioux forever. If you knew me you would know that I have been a huge supporter. I have lots of Fighting Sioux stuff and wear it proudly all over the country. The name and logo represent everything I like in a sports nickname and logo. It is unique, the logo is beautiful and represents attributes like strength and honor. And all of that is in addition to close to 80 years of tradition. I grew up near Grand Forks and have been a Sioux fan since I was a child, which is a long time (I started watching UND football several years before they played in the Camellia Bowl, most people will have to look that up).
There have been times that the name wasn't treated with the proper respect, but I believe that UND has done a very good job for many years and that use of the name has been a positive for the University and the tribes. One story that shows a reason why I like the name and logo would be a trip I took to Boston during the summer a couple of years ago. I was at one of the tourist attractions talking to a US Park Ranger. He asked where I was from. When I said Grand Forks he automatically said, "University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux. The college kids around here love that logo." People remember UND in part because of the name and logo.
But I am a realist. I now realize that the fight was over when the NC$$ made their edict and then was allowed to change their own rules. The court case was a long shot. When the NC$$ found another way to change rules after the fact, the case was lost. The settlement just bought UND a few more years. And the decision by the SBoHE last week cut that settlement time by less than a year.
The key part of the settlement, as I see it, was the fact that even if the tribes gave permission they could change their mind at any time. This is basically the same situation as Florida State and the others that have NA names. The difference is the active core group that has been fighting the Sioux nickname for 40 years. I don't think that the other schools have a group that active or large fighting against them. Even if the tribes gave permission (which is a big if) the opposition group would keep working against it. And anyone that has watched tribal politics at all over the years knows that tribal governments can change their minds on a dime. So UND was not going to be safe without some form of long term agreement in place with both tribes. And even that may not be safe since later governments may not feel the need to follow that agreement. They are separate governments so they can do things the way they want.
The election at Spirit Lake showed that there is really support on the reservation. It fit within the results of polls done in the past. But it was not binding on anyone. It did not fit within the settlement's definition of the tribe giving support. Only a minority of the population took part in the election. That means that the nickname opposition would only need to get about 400 more people (out of 6,000 tribal members) out to the polls next time to defeat the name. And you know that the opposition would get another election going if that's all they needed to do to get rid of the name. They were not ready to give up. So I have almost no faith in the ability to find a long term solution at this stage in the game.
The potential opportunity to get into the Summit is very important to a majority of the UND Athletic Department. Being in a conference is very important in collegiate athletics. It helps stabilize costs, especially travel and helps a great deal with scheduling. It also helps build an audience for games as the fans become familiar with opposing teams. At this stage of transition to Division 1 and where UND is located will limit the potential conferences that would even consider accepting them. The only 2 that anyone has recognized as possible are the Summit and the Big Sky. The Big Sky has shown no interest in coming this far east and isn't actively seeking new members. So the Summit is a good fit. They are looking for another member, several former rivals are members, UND could step in and be a quality league member, and many other reasons make it seem like a good idea. It isn't the highest rated conference in Division 1, but those conferences are not going to be interested in adding a transitional school of any kind, especially one outside their footprint. So any idea of joining the Big Ten, Big 12 or even a lower level like the Mountain West conference does not make any sense at all. The Summit may be the only chance of conference membership in the near future. And life in Division 1 without that membership would be very hard. It may end up causing the failure of the move to D1.
Unfortunately for UND, they are not the only school close to the Summit that is looking for a conference. It sounds like there are 5 other schools trying for that single spot. Several of those probably don't have much of a chance, it sounds like the Summit would rather not have them. But we don't know who all of the schools are so it is impossible to determine how they stack up for conference membership against UND. And the conference gets to decide the details like who they consider, what they want and when they want it. If UND wants to get into the conference they have to follow any rules that the Summit would put in place. If UND doesn't follow the rules it would be up to the conference to decide whether they would still want to take UND or would rather take one of the other schools.
I will try to sum up this long winded answer. I think that the chances of keeping the name became very slim when UND was forced to settle the case with the NC$$. It is almost impossible to make that work long term under present conditions. Long term is the key part of that statement. I think that the chance to get into a conference has changed the timeline. The choice became move up the timeline and probably lose the name starting this fall but greatly increase the chance of becoming a conference member or wait until next year when you risk the conference choosing someone else and you still probably have to change the name. If I thought that UND had any real chance of getting a long term agreement to keep the name the whole situation would probably be different. I don't see that happening. So I am like Shawn-O and have accepted the probable change as a necessary evil. And I have accepted the decision to make the change early in order to apply for admission to a conference for most of the UND Athletic Department. I believe that is the best that can come out of a bad situation that has developed over many years. I don't like having to do it, but it is time to bite the bullet and make this hard decision. Dragging it out longer risks doing more damage.
Very well put...I too never thought that I would have the same feelings on this subject as you stated above. I never believed (or wanted to) that it would get to this point. Unfortunately it has and the University is at a cross roads and needs to consider the future of a successfull DI program when making this decision. Again, nothing is 100% certain at this time, but the University needs to play the percentages and right now, they have made the decision that this is what's best.
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Right, but there's nothing stopping NDSU and SDSU from leaving the Summit if they could get into the MVC. And they would do it in a hearbeat. UND being admitted into the Summit would not diminish NDSU's aspirations to get into the MVC (in fact, it would probably bolster them). I'm not up to speed on the MVC landscape, but this could be a situation where UND is admitted to the Summit but NDSU and SDSU aren't there when UND actually joins. How attractive would the Summit look in that event?
I believe both the XDSU's committed to a certain time length when admitted to the Summit League...granted they could always buy there way out if a better conference came calling. There are no certainties that either school will be there by the time we actually are in the conference, however, the Summit League is still more attractive than any other realistic option we have due to the fact that it is an autobid conference. If an autobid conference comes calling UND needs to be ready to accept vs. waiting for another option that may never materialize. Let's put it this way...I would rather be in the Summit League and potentially move to a "better" conference (ie MVC) vs. pass on the Summit League and hope that something better comes along for all sports.
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No, no, no, that isn't the principal reason why I want to see the name changed. The main reason, and I have stated this in earlier posts, is because of the way I was treated as an undergrad at UND. I have gone into detail in earlier posts so I won't now, but basically, UND says it is honoring the Sioux people by using the name, yet I felt anything but honored when I went to school their. After I graduated I had a bad taste in my mouth overall and that is how I arrived at my current stance. But I did make that statement although I don't think those aren't the exact words I used but I could be wrong.
Just out of curiosity, what could UND have done to make you feel honored?
I wonder if every student of Irish descent feels as if the University is specifically honoring them at Notre Dame?
One of the names I would love to see UND adopt if the Sioux nickname is dropped, would be the Fighting Norse. Being that I am 100% Norwegian I would feel honored that the University is willing to recognize the contributions that Scandanavian culture has made to this area. I say this even though when I was at UND, I had to listen to many Ole and Lena/Norwegian jokes...I did not take them personally. IF we become the Fighting Norse and other schools fans made stereotypical jokes/chants about Norwegians at sporting events, I would not be offended and blame the nickname for promoting the stereoptype that all Norwegians are dim witted. I, along with many others, just don't see the connection your trying to make.
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Because they aren't in the Missouri Valley Conference.
They're in the Missouri Valley Football Conference, called the Gateway Football Conference until recently.
I would also add that if given the opportunity, NDSU and SDSU would both prefer to be in the Missouri Valley Conference for all sports. No one knows whether that will happen down the road or not. I believe this is one of several reasons UND is appealing to the Summit League. I believe they would like to see all 4 Dakota schools as the core of the conference. All four Dakota Schools have a history of consistency when it comes to conference affiliation (Old NCC)...perhaps that will transfer to the Summit League as well.
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Why try to engage in discussion someone that is on record as stating that the principle reason he wants the name changed is to "stick it to whitey"? He isn't worth it.
That was my point of what I don't understand. I was asking Four Winds Boy why there isn't even an attempt at some honest dialogue before a decision is made...one way or the other. I guess I haven't seen it printed that the reason the minority wants to change the name is to "stick it to whitey." Perhaps that's the underlying reason, but I have yet to hear a response as to why the Tribal Council is refusing to even engage in dialogue/come to the table?
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How long would it take for the Summit to get a FB autobid?
I don't foresee this happening anytime soon. I would think there is a better chance of UND/USD being admitted to the Gateway Football Conference than there is of seeing a Summit League sponsored football conference. NDSU and SDSU would have little to no incentive for leaving the Gateway Football Conference.
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And to dmksioux, i'll say it again, this has nothing to do with the rituals, ceremonies and language of my people. For you to suggest that it does is an insult. A good rule of thumb is that if Dakota Culture and Wasicu's(white's) are in the same sentence, then it has zero to do with our culture. By the way, we don't do a dance before every athletic event.
I understand that it's not done at every athletic event. I was suggesting that it has been done at some of the events which may have sparked some people's interest in the Sioux Culture. My post was to suggest that the "powers that be" at least have dialogue to see if there is any common ground. Perhaps there is an opportunity where education about Native Culture can take place. Perhaps there isn't. It seems as though the minority on the Reservation wants nothing to do with at least attempting dialogue which is what I have a tough time with...especially since 67% of people representing the tribe seem to support the name. If an honest attempt at dialogue occured and no agreements or compromises could be made then drop it. From my perspective, it appears that the vocal minority just want it dropped to "prove their point" (whatever the point is) and "to win" to show that they were right.
To address your comment about "a good rule of thumb"...Isn't that comment in and of it's self "divisive." How do you exepect "whites" to undertand the Native culture if you can't even put the two together in a sentence.
I will miss the Sioux name and the tradition of the name being associated to UND. Has the name always been used in a positive/honorable manner...no, but I feel the way the logo and name have evolved throughout the years is a testement to education that has been done. Education that probably wouldn't have taken place without the nickname as the catalyst. I would like to see an open dialogue where both sides talk about the issues prior to it being retired...unfortunately that doesn't seem possible. I am not vindictive nor will I carry a grudge if/when the name is retired. I would just like to see an honest attempt at dialogue made.
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As an enrolled member of the SLT, I feel this isssue should not have been voted on by the tribal members. Our constitution says that only issues that have a direct economic, financial or cultural impact on our people can be put to a vote. No, this issue has nothing to do with our traditions and sacred rituals. All it has done is create divisivness on our rez. Our tribal council did a poor job of interpreting our constitution. This whole voting issue would be analogous to the Miller Brewing Company approaching our tribe and wanting us to vote for "taste great" or "less filling". I applaud Ron HHT and the Standing Rock Tribal Council for not voting on this fiasco.
So what your saying is it doesn't matter and has nothing to do with your tribe, then why are the Councils so adamant about ending the name?
It may be divisive because a minority of people of the two tribes are making it divisive. As far as it not having a cultural impact, my opinion is that it does and that it could have more. An example is when enrolled members of the tribe do a dance prior to an athletic event. This is something that exposes fans, both home and visitors, to the Native American culture that they may not have been aware of before. Maybe it sparks someone's interest to learn more about the Sioux Culture, maybe it doesn't. Has UND and the Sioux Tribes taken advantage of exposing the Sioux Culture in a positive aspect? Depending on who ask you will get a variety of answers. Could UND do more to work with the Tribes to explore the possibilities? Certainly. The issue is divisive because certain people have agendas and don't even want to come to the table to explore opportunities before making a decision on whether the name is good or not.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that according to public opinion on the reservations, there seems to be consensus that the Nickname is supported. Why wouldn't the tribal councils want to at least come to the table and talk about opportunities keeping the name may provide for the tribe (and I'm not necessarily referring to "Buying off the Tribe"). If the two sides at least act like adults and attempt some dialogue and ultimately can't come to a compromise, then fine drop the name. Why is Ron HHT so afraid to at least talk?
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Even if the "Summit" becomes or resembles the Old NCC, we are light years away, (will never-imo) from ever competing for a National Title in any sport other than Football which plays in a lower D1 (D1AA) and Hockey. Like you said just one's perception of success.....?
Actually I said one persons perception of being "competitive" and as others have since stated, we will now have the ability to play against more of our peer institutions. 10+ years ago...DII was still an ok place to be not so much since then...
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I agree, but what makes anyone think that if we could not be consistently competitive at the level we were at in D2, or in transition, that we will ever be able to be competitive at the D1 level...? In a conference (Summit) that is perhaps the worst D1 conference in America, no matter how much money we save on travel, most people only will support wining programs. I do not believe for a minute that ths "Summit" is where the future of UND Athletics lies.
I guess our trophy cases were just too full where we were at.
I guess it depends on a person's definition of competitive. I feel UND will eventually have the ability to consistently challenge for Summit League Championships year in and year out. In doing so they will qualify for NCAA post season tournaments. Will they win many DI championships...not likely. My preference is that UND is competing with the best that college athletics has to offer. Occasionally we will win a big game, make the dance, possibly win a few game in a tournament, etc. In doing so, I feel we will get more recognition then we ever did at DII. DII was good situation 10+ years ago...but with the way every other one of our peer institutions was moving up, it was inevitable that we would have to as well. Do you really think UND alumni, students, and fans would like to see us continue playing the U Mary's, Sioux Falls College, Bemidji St. etc? Not only that, but the small schools have kept voting to lower scholarship levels for football so that they could compete. I also believe that South Dakota and North Dakota were the last two Flagship schools playing at the DII level.
As far as being in the Summit...the league may not be one of the more highly regarded mid-major conferences right now. But hopefully if we are admitted, we play a part in strenghing the conference and adding to it's credibility. Both NDSU and SDSU have begun to strengthen that conference already. With the four Dakota Schools as the core of the conference hopefully it will evolve into something similar to the Old NCC...by which I mean a high mid-major conference. It won't happen over night, but I feel the conference has the capability of doing so.
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I would agree with this. I also feel we are doing that to some degree since we have the U of Idaho on future schedules. They aren't necessarily a flashy name, but they are an FBS program that I would hope we can compete with.