Midwestern Hawk

Nope. Just the MSU football highlights, which is not the greatest angle. Just gave the freaking game away.

I'm not a proponent of wholesale personnel changes and would rather build from the ground up. My larger point was how important coaching is in football. UND beat itself when playing Petrino team @MSU this fall. Pretty difficult to agrue with Petrino record over time. If Petrino was coaching this team we would be posting on the first round playoff thread instead of "could haves" and "should haves". Pretty hard to argue that. I'm tired of waiting for Bubba and co to get "over the hump". After this fall, the success of the spring is looking more and more like a fluke and/or a mirage.

You are likely correct about the committee. Feels like UND snatched "disappointment" this season with one of its best, deepest teams ever. Will take me quite awhile to get over the "no timeout" vs NDSU. That play changed the trajectory of the team and program we all love.

Its not all coaching, but in football coaching is by far the most important element. A very recent MVFC example: 2015 Missouri State 1–10 0–8 10th 2016 Missouri State 4–7 2–6 T–8th 2017 Missouri State 3–8 2–6 T–8th 2018 Missouri State 4–7 2–6 9th 2019 Missouri State 1–10 1–7 T–9th 2020/Spring 2021 Missouri State 5–4 5–1 T–1st 2021: 8-3 and 6-2 Now ask yourself what changed after the 2019 season?

Looks like richter was not expecting the ball, which makes no sense. Not a bad throw, just a really bad play. Are you happy now?

I’ve said it before and it’s a very extreme example, but if nick Saban and his staff coached this team from Jan 1 of 2020 it would be at a minimum 10-1 at the moment, MVFC champs and a top seed In the tournament . Again an extreme example with maybe the best college HC who has ever coached, but in football coaching is incredibly important. Look at MSU. Perennial doormat, Petrino shows up and boom! Playoffs every season.

I see players looking a bit confused after the sack, not all by some. We used 39 seconds on a first down sack and when we finally got down to running the next play, the receiver did not appear to be on the same page as his QB. the NDSU, MSU and SDSU losses are all directly blamed on our game management/time management. For the record, I love Bubba and the staff, but if they take an objective look back at the season they blew some games.

The same staff that choked against NDSU and failed to call TO when they didn’t take our bait on the punt, was calmly telling Tommy to take his time after the sack? Really?

And if the pass is incomplete, it’s 3rd and 18 from the 31 with ~ 42 seconds left. Still have two timeouts, but the clock gets to be a factor.

Now we are supposed to believe that they were worried about leaving sdsu too much time. It’s was 2nd and 18 at the 31 with less than a minute to go. Now I’ve heard everything. Some in here will defend absolutely any moronic thing we do.

Your serious? Do you know anything about clock management? Some huddle some don’t, it’s disorganized and obviously by richter route not everyone was on the same page. With 1:30 we burned 39 seconds on one play . That’s as bad as it gets. Refresh my memory how did it work out for us? Yeah, that’s what I thought. Maybe we can use the two timeouts next season.

Totally agree, but I agree with Sioux 94, richter makes the cut and slows down like either he doesn’t expect the ball or there is miscommunication on the route between he and Tommy. It’s near the end. Not ESPN view. https://youtu.be/ucjPYFzcTA8

Very well could have . It looks as though Richter is not expecting the ball, which again leads me back to taking a timeout. During timeout discuss situation with everyone and what happens after completion short of first down, completion out of bounds, or incompletion and if it’s third and what next play is in each scenario.

There is so much more to our lack of deep throwing game than just someone who is a “burner”. Double moves, overloading a zone with high low, rub routes, lots of ways to create space. not sure sdsu had anyone who would be considered a “burner”, yet they took several deeper shot including one throw where their qb threw the ball 55 yards in the air.

42 seconds is not much time with a third down and short. If the pass is incomplete, it’s 3rd and 18 with 42 seconds left and we are at the 31. It was absolutely horrible clock management. Go back and watch the plays again . Total disarray after the sack.

I don't know this for a fact, but I have watched Tommy closely this season and I have NOT seen him change a play at the line nor call a timeout on the field. If someone has a specific instance of either scenario, please let me know which game and I would love to see what I missed. I can't think of an instance this season where UND called a TO from the field on O or D.

You may have the inside scoop on what the protocol is on the team, but I doubt very much it is standard for Tommy to call a TO in that situation. I don't remember Tommy calling a TO on his own all year.

The sack play wasted almost half of the remaining time. the situation went from 1st and 10 with plenty of time to 2nd and 18 and a rush. There is no question a timeout should have been used after the sack. Even if the pass is completed we are down to around 42 seconds left with 12 yards to go and a likely third and short.

It wasn’t our first rodeo this fall with pathetic clock management at the end of the half….

If your analysis is correct, the staff needs to completely change how it evaluates QB potential.

No question, Danny was working overtime to do just that. No idea why Tommy would not run 'til yesterday. Can live with a weak arm if he is an accurate passer and can run, for much of this season we made due with an accurate passer with a weak arm and no threat to run.

I agree on Freund and Holinka for the most part, sometimes Danny overthinks situations. Bubba is a great guy, but the game management is not even close to good enough. He needs to find a way to farm that out to a coach who runs it and is communicating to Bubba in critical situations. I keep going back to the NDSU fake punt. Not calling a TO when NDSU didn't bring their punt guys out was the worst coaching move I have seen at any level this season. Changed that game, the season and likely UND football. A win in that game, in that situation, in that atmosphere, and all things UND football are significantly better.

I listed this number 1 for a reason, to overcome these shortcomings UND has to be BETTER than each opponent. -NDSU - Not calling TO on 4th down, cost UND the lead and possibly the game. -USD - Used TO to begin the 2nd half, which changed complexion of game down the stretch. -SIU - EVERY UND second half possession ended inside the SIU 35 and UND scored 7 points in the second half. -WIU - 1st half ended with UND @ WIU 8 yard line and no points and no FG try -MSU - blew an 11 point lead late in 4th qtr with awful play calling -SDSU - not calling TO with the ball @SDSU 31 after a sack and burned 30 some seconds needlessly resulting in a bad throw and INT These are off the top of my head, I know there were several more questionable 3rd and 4th and short calls.

Moving forward, that can't happen. Whoever is the coolest under pressure needs to be in charge of clock/game management decisions. It was NOT just yesterday. Almost every MVFC game we played was decided by one score or less. Most next fall will likely be the same. A timeout at our 20 vs NDSU and a timeout yesterday late and this team may very well have 2 more wins just on those two instances.

If UND is going to get to the next level it has to fill these gaps: 1. Game/clock management/ play calling - Almost every MVFC game had at least one instance where game management, time management or play calling was just plain bad. 2. Vertical passing game - we can debate all day long about why we struggle to complete any deep passes but this is a huge problem. 3. QB as a running threat - Tommy needs to do what he did yesterday, 5-8 QB runs/scrambles for 50 yards changes the defense. 4. Field Goal from 45 and in have to be $ - This is D1 college football, most large school high school teams can kick field goals consistently from inside 35 yards.