Goon Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I was really surprised that the GOPHER BAND and director were even swearing last night. The UND band is an sponsored group and in no way allowed to swear. Stuff may come out, but you won't hear them chanting. That seems a little inappropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFSIOUX#1 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Just some random thoughts from a someone who grew up in GF going to every game possible, a former UND student and now live about 300 miles from Grand Forks and go to almost every home game and some road games: (1) The best crowds I remeber were back in the 70's with the Farce - not everything they did was politically correct but in most instances it WAS very funny and got people involved in the game. The student section is the bigggest asset to our team and creating a home ice advantage. Give that section some latitude when it comes to standing and do not have someone calling out the students every time one of them stand ups. It is a hockey game not the theater. (2) I think the adminstration only antagonizes the situation by continually "beating up the students" with the vulgatiry issue by calling all of the students out. I wish the obsenities did not occur but I even find myself appologizing to the folks in front of me some of the time when something accidently slips out. If it offends you, ask the person or persons next to you from refraining from using that sort of language. (3) I don't think the response of "if you don't like it don't go" is appropriate. We all have our own interest and expectations of what the games will provide. I am not near the student section with my seating but quite frankly was a bit suprised to hear of this letter going out as I have not noticed anything that I would consider over the top with the exception of some obsenities. (4) I like to have a beer at the game and don't like the idea of getting rid of the suds just because a few people like to over indulge and ruin it for the 98% of the people that enjoy a couple of beers. Be accountable for your own actions. Enough for now but my fear is that the students might as well bring some of their textbooks to the game because the Ralph will be as quiet as the library. There has got to be a happy medium and I think administration has to show some latitude and compromise with the students as oppossed to dictate to the students. Thanks for your time and sorry so lengthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBB75 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I only hope that the students, that want to stand for the entire game, remember their days at UND when 30 years from now they finally get season tickets for their local team after being on a waiting list for 10 years. Then when you get to your seats(that you paid $5000 for) you find the people in front of you like to stand for the whole game. Please be patient with them and tell your spouse that it is ok because we did the same thing at UND hockey games. Their is another sports arena that would love to have 2000 plus students attend and you can fill the end seats and stand and yell all you want. It is called The Betty and the men's and women's basketball teams woould love your support. Hope the Sioux come bring their A game tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 The ones doing that stuff don't read here & most likely won't go to the meeting either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Why is it ok for students to stand at the basketball games or football games, but not at the hockey games? This is one of the things I don't understand. I'm not making an argument for standing at hockey games, but why the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I was really surprised that the GOPHER BAND and director were even swearing last night. So what? Other bands do the same thing. It's a hockey game, not a church service. Lighten up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 (2) I think the adminstration only antagonizes the situation by continually "beating up the students" with the vulgatiry issue by calling all of the students out. That's right. Screw the administration. Who do they think they are? Nobody should have to follow any standards. There's no such thing as appropriate social behavior in public, especially at a hockey game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Why is it ok for students to stand at the basketball games or football games, but not at the hockey games? This is one of the things I don't understand. I'm not making an argument for standing at hockey games, but why the difference? There is no difference. Students should be able to do whatever they want. They own the university. It's theirs. Plus, Grand Forks would cease to exist without the students who go to hockey games. Breaking the law, ignoring rules you don't like, acting like a classless jerk in public, swearing like a drunken sailor and being inconsiderate is all part of the real world. The sooner students learn that, the better off they'll be when they graduate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallassiouxfan Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 If you don't like it don't go is the case than students if they don't like the rules than go home and watch the games on FSN. You knew what the REA and other season ticket holders wanted- so YOU stay away!! Your arguement is week, you only pay 55 or 60 dollars a season - you get by cheap. try like up wards of a thousand and above. I don't mean to make an example of your comments, but I have seen it too many times on this post!! I am no longer a student. I don't get by cheap either. I buy individual game tickets accompanied by a 400.00 plane ticket. I also donate money to my alma mater but don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 That's right. Screw the administration. Who do they think they are? Nobody should have to follow any standards. There's no such thing as appropriate social behavior in public, especially at a hockey game. This attitude here is one of the problems. When someone brings up the real/percieved antagonization of the students, they are immediately dismissed. Whether the antagonization is actually happening or not, many students believe that it is happening. This has to be addressed, not ignored. The administration seems to expect the students to address everything they bring up, but shouldn't have to address anything the students bring up. The students expect the exact opposite. Meanwhile, nothing gets done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFSIOUX#1 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 That's right. Screw the administration. Who do they think they are? Nobody should have to follow any standards. There's no such thing as appropriate social behavior in public, especially at a hockey game. Not what I am saying PCM - I am suggesting that admin needs to work with the students as opposed to working against the students. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I tried to make a point but just got flamed. You guys act like I am a gopher fan or something! Of course you got flamed. What do you expect? Do you think that you can come here using common sense and get away with it? What planet do you live on? I've seen the light. I bow to the superior rationalizations applied to this argument. Logic is no match for them. The excuse-makers and purveyors of classless, inconsiderate behavior must be allowed to reign supreme in The Ralph. Without the behavior they excuse and condone, none of us would ever get the true college hockey experience that we all crave. We should be thanking them, not criticizing them. So give in. Go with the flow. It's much easier and less stressful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 This attitude here is one of the problems. When someone brings up the real/percieved antagonization of the students, they are immediately dismissed. I agreed with you. Lighten up, Francis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Not what I am saying PCM - I am suggesting that admin needs to work with the students as opposed to working against the students. Jeez, I express total agreement with your position and you flame me anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Did you forget to take your meds today, PCM? The problem in it's simplest form may be students standing, swearing, etc. But the reason for this continually being a problem is that neither side will even listen to each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFSIOUX#1 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Jeez, I express total agreement with your position and you flame me anyway. There was no flamming involved just having a discussion but by the sounds of it you really need a nap or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 The problem in it's simplest form may be students standing, swearing, etc. But the reason for this continually being a problem is that neither side will even listen to each other. Diggler, I completely understand your position. As long as the students can claim that nobody is listening to them, they are completely and totally free to do whatever the hell they want. It's the perfect rationalization and I salute you for making it over and over again to shift responsibility away from the students. You are truely the master of this tactic. There's no reason that anyone should even attempt to disagree with you. Once again, thank you for helping me see the light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I like how you only address half of my point while ignoring what I say about students ignoring what others say. It's nice, in fact it proves my point! I know I'm right, so your use of sarcasm doesn't work real well. Both sides need to work together to solve the problem. When everyone sits around saying it's you fault, no it's your fault, nothing gets solved. It's both sides fault for refusing to work together. There has been plenty of time to solve the problem, but somehow everyone seems to think that one year it might just magically solve itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 There was no flamming involved just having a discussion but by the sounds of it you really need a nap or something Why, yes, I probably do need a nap. Thank you for reminding me. And I'll take my meds as Diggler suggested. That might be a good idea, too. But I should warn you that if I do those things, I might start disagreeing with you again. Woudln't you rather have me on your side? I think that I'm doing your cause a lot of good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I like how you only address half of my point while ignoring what I say about students ignoring what others say. It's nice, in fact it proves my point! DOH! You're right, of course! Because I ignored your point, the students should get to do a dozen extra "Eff the Mavs!" chants next weekend. You really trapped me there. Good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-per Fan Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 That's right. Screw the administration. Who do they think they are? Nobody should have to follow any standards. There's no such thing as appropriate social behavior in public, especially at a hockey game. There is no difference. Students should be able to do whatever they want. They own the university. It's theirs. Plus, Grand Forks would cease to exist without the students who go to hockey games. Breaking the law, ignoring rules you don't like, acting like a classless jerk in public, swearing like a drunken sailor and being inconsiderate is all part of the real world. The sooner students learn that, the better off they'll be when they graduate. I agree with All of This PCM maybe we could make the REA like The Louisana Super Dome after Hurricane Katrina....Lawlessness,Murder,Rape,..oh what fun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 OK, fine. Cut the sarcasm. What is the solution? I'm serious. Students need to sit more and not swear, so how is that going to be accomplished?. How are we going to get this to happen? How can students work with REA to get it done? And don't say I don't know, the students should just figure it out for themselves. That doesn't help any. It makes it seem like people want to point out the obvious problems, but want no part in helping to solve the problem. Sure it ultimately falls upon the students to solve and implement the solutions to the problem, but helping out sure doesn't hurt any. And once again the point of students feel like they are being persecuted is ignored. Why? That is a problem and it has to be figured out. You can sarcastically make fun of me and the point if you really want to, but the problem will still exist in the minds of the students. How do we solve that problem? Fix this problem and it will go a long way to solving the swearing and standing I believe. It's stupid but students, like all people, will be much more receptive when they feel like they are being respected. This meeting has the opporunity to start the path towards this happening and I hope it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFSIOUX#1 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Why, yes, I probably do need a nap. Thank you for reminding me. And I'll take my meds as Diggler suggested. That might be a good idea, too. But I should warn you that if I do those things, I might start disagreeing with you again. Woudln't you rather have me on your side? I think that I'm doing your cause a lot of good. My cause - please tell me what you are interpretting as my cause. All I am saying is admin and the students need to work together to help meet the common good - what is so wrong with that? Is compromise such an awful word? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 One other note to consider is that I was trying to get a person I know who happens to be a Gopher fan and apparently he wants nothing to do with coming up for the regional. Seems that some of the Gopher fans from MPLS that he knows have had some bad experiences in the the REA. Seems some of our fans have been in their face the whole game, had stuff thrown at them, someone challenged them to a fight, that seems kind of childish, nothing at a hockey game is worth fighting over. Now I haven't seen this stuff happen personally but maybe it is. And challenging a nother to a fight isn't really appropriate. That being said I have seen Gopher fans acting like moron during the Final Five. Also, last season the dillweed Badger fans sitting behind us were throwing stuff at us because we were celebrating the Sioux win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 DOH! You're right, of course! Because I ignored your point, the students should get to do a dozen extra "Eff the Mavs!" chants next weekend. You really trapped me there. Good job. Come on PCM UND can't win without the Eff the Maverick cheer (I hope GDM's guest are impressed with that one) as well if the students are made to sit down the opposing team won't be intimidated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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