UND vs St. Thomas 1/15/2026 7PM

[Kab]

2 minutes ago, EternalOptimist said:

A3 played great in the 1st half, then as he is prone to do, the ball gets sticky in his hands. If he can figure out that moving the ball will increase his opportunities rather than decrease,  he'll be better. Learning

Had a few that made mental mistakes, Marley shooting 2 3s when he shouldn’t have

delorme being lazy on a rebound then fouled, he found the bench in a hurry 

 

[GoodGood]

2 minutes ago, Kab said:

Had a few that made mental mistakes, Marley shooting 2 3s when he shouldn’t have

delorme being lazy on a rebound then fouled, he found the bench in a hurry 

 

I wouldn’t say Delorme was being lazy. He got subbed in and had to box out St Thomas starting center on a free throw. Giving up probably 30 pounds and got pushed under hoop. Ball went off his foot out of bounds and then he got subbed out 

[SIOUXFAN97]

5 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

Jeez Wylee had a quick leash tonight. Guy has a bad box out or something (didn't really catch it tbh) on a FT and gets yanked. Probably didn’t even record a second there. But then you have Marley chucking 3s like he is Curry and Sather letting him run for a while. Idk. Bigger complaints than that but that really bugged me. 

Horrible shot by Marley at that point

[sioux24/7]

7 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

Horrible shot by Marley at that point

Terrible. Jones knew he was going to do it too and was saying slow it down stop. 

[NewUndFan]

12 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

Jeez Wylee had a quick leash tonight. Guy has a bad box out or something (didn't really catch it tbh) on a FT and gets yanked. Probably didn’t even record a second there. But then you have Marley chucking 3s like he is Curry and Sather letting him run for a while. Idk. Bigger complaints than that but that really bugged me. 

I thought the same thing ! Wylee looked like he was about to tear up when Sather pulled him. I thought great confidence builder for a young guy that plays with alot of heart.  You could see he felt horrible about dropping the rebound and Sather pulls him.  Next the Curtis twin gets in chucks a 3 with no one back, I expect Sather to pull him and leaves him in.  

[Kab]

When I saw the play on tv it looked like Wylie just stood there on the rebound, hard to tell what else was going on

St. T doesn’t seem to get rushed too much although those turnovers in the first half I thought were good defense from UND 

this was another winnable game 

[UNDDOM]

28 minutes ago, EternalOptimist said:

A3 played great in the 1st half, then as he is prone to do, the ball gets sticky in his hands. If he can figure out that moving the ball will increase his opportunities rather than decrease,  he'll be better. Learning

Many times both him and Greyson trying to get to the hoop with double or triple team down low…kick it out!!!!  Kraft and Anderson were wide open 

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

48 minutes ago, UNDDOM said:

Down by 12 with 2 min left 

Dribble for 25 sec and do a layup 

Do you basketball at all?? Of all the plays to bitch about.... Puzzlin'

[sioux24/7]

28 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

I wouldn’t say Delorme was being lazy. He got subbed in and had to box out St Thomas starting center on a free throw. Giving up probably 30 pounds and got pushed under hoop. Ball went off his foot out of bounds and then he got subbed out 

I just watched it back. Dufault was next to him and Guga had Bjerke on the other side. Wylee had Dufault easy but Bjerke got a bit of leverage on Guga over to the side where the ball landed and Wylee was too far back and had to jump forward where it then went off his foot. Idk still think he was given a fair shake. 

[GoodGood]

4 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

I just watched it back. Dufault was next to him and Guga had Bjerke on the other side. Wylee had Dufault easy but Bjerke got a bit of leverage on Guga over to the side where the ball landed and Wylee was too far back and had to jump forward where it then went off his foot. Idk still think he was given a fair shake. 

Wow I was way off. I just remember Bjerke being the one tipping it and seeing how shocked Wylee was when he realized he was subbing out 

[SIOUXFAN97]

Once again... Was it the dollar dogs or the hot female ref? 

Why 2700

[SIOUXFAN97]

[EternalOptimist]

Subbing and play time seem odd most of the year.  I don't think Sather is doing the subbing, but you'd think he would watch film and have a knowledge of what's happening during the game.  The Wylee situation last night bothered me to. I believe the plan for him was to redshirt. He works hard, and they pull the redshirt tag part way through the year. He does fairly well in some games, but then checks in and gets instantly yanked after what I thought was Guga's issue. And he is done. Just kill the kid's confidence. They have done this kind of thing before, while others have long leashes.  Also, I wonder if Karson Ouse is happy they pulled his redshirt as well - the kid hasn't seen any time for a few games. Doppler started a game, now doesn't play.  Bothun struggled then had 15 and was a player of the game in a game, and hasn't played since. I do get that not all those guys should be playing meaningful minutes, but it's just the way it's playing out. On the flip side, it seems they really want Marley to play so they tolerate poor decisions and bad shots.  And their starting center, after 21 games, now has a total of 64 points and 73 fouls.  That's 3.2 ppg and 3.5 fouls per game. Crazy

[EternalOptimist]

Another thing that is troublesome about the subbing - all those coaches on the bench, and when a player makes a mistake and is pulled, nobody says anything to them.  Every once in awhile, Sather will say something, but most of the time, it's high fives from everyone and right to a chair to allow them to figure it out themselves. No "next time" speech, or "I have confidence in you but you need to..."

[gfhockey]

9 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

Once again... Was it the dollar dogs or the hot female ref? 

Why 2700

Dogs dude

[gfhockey]

20 minutes ago, EternalOptimist said:

Subbing and play time seem odd most of the year.  I don't think Sather is doing the subbing, but you'd think he would watch film and have a knowledge of what's happening during the game.  The Wylee situation last night bothered me to. I believe the plan for him was to redshirt. He works hard, and they pull the redshirt tag part way through the year. He does fairly well in some games, but then checks in and gets instantly yanked after what I thought was Guga's issue. And he is done. Just kill the kid's confidence. They have done this kind of thing before, while others have long leashes.  Also, I wonder if Karson Ouse is happy they pulled his redshirt as well - the kid hasn't seen any time for a few games. Doppler started a game, now doesn't play.  Bothun struggled then had 15 and was a player of the game in a game, and hasn't played since. I do get that not all those guys should be playing meaningful minutes, but it's just the way it's playing out. On the flip side, it seems they really want Marley to play so they tolerate poor decisions and bad shots.  And their starting center, after 21 games, now has a total of 64 points and 73 fouls.  That's 3.2 ppg and 3.5 fouls per game. Crazy

Who does subbing 

[gfhockey]

15 minutes ago, EternalOptimist said:

Another thing that is troublesome about the subbing - all those coaches on the bench, and when a player makes a mistake and is pulled, nobody says anything to them.  Every once in awhile, Sather will say something, but most of the time, it's high fives from everyone and right to a chair to allow them to figure it out themselves. No "next time" speech, or "I have confidence in you but you need to..."

You are so right I was watching the st Thomas coach from the crappy ultra lounge that was 1/4 full and they talked to each playa as they got out

[GoodGood]

27 minutes ago, EternalOptimist said:

Subbing and play time seem odd most of the year.  I don't think Sather is doing the subbing, but you'd think he would watch film and have a knowledge of what's happening during the game.  The Wylee situation last night bothered me to. I believe the plan for him was to redshirt. He works hard, and they pull the redshirt tag part way through the year. He does fairly well in some games, but then checks in and gets instantly yanked after what I thought was Guga's issue. And he is done. Just kill the kid's confidence. They have done this kind of thing before, while others have long leashes.  Also, I wonder if Karson Ouse is happy they pulled his redshirt as well - the kid hasn't seen any time for a few games. Doppler started a game, now doesn't play.  Bothun struggled then had 15 and was a player of the game in a game, and hasn't played since. I do get that not all those guys should be playing meaningful minutes, but it's just the way it's playing out. On the flip side, it seems they really want Marley to play so they tolerate poor decisions and bad shots.  And their starting center, after 21 games, now has a total of 64 points and 73 fouls.  That's 3.2 ppg and 3.5 fouls per game. Crazy

Agree until you got to the Marley part. He’s only averaging 10 minutes a game in conference play so it’s not like they’re force feeding him minutes. Hes still probably the best option to pickup back up minutes at the 4 spot. The same thing goes for Jones. Someone has to play minutes at the 5 and you can’t play Guga 40 minutes a night and there’s no one at the 4 that can play small ball 5. It’s fine if he averages 5 fouls a game. They just can’t be 3 illegal screens and 2 fouls 80 feet from the basket 

[EternalOptimist]

1 hour ago, GoodGood said:

The same thing goes for Jones. Someone has to play minutes at the 5 and you can’t play Guga 40 minutes a night and there’s no one at the 4 that can play small ball 5. It’s fine if he averages 5 fouls a game. They just can’t be 3 illegal screens and 2 fouls 80 feet from the basket 

I can't go with you there.  I'll buy into Guga not being able to play 40 minutes, but Jones is our starting 5.  He averages 3.2 ppg, 3.5 Rpg, and 3.5 fouls per game. Any one of the guys on the bench could do that with the minutes he gets - no matter their size. Our offensive productivity actually goes up when he is out because his defender isn't clogging the lane for our guards. 

[GoodGood]

9 minutes ago, EternalOptimist said:

I can't go with you there.  I'll buy into Guga not being able to play 40 minutes, but Jones is our starting 5.  He averages 3.2 ppg, 3.5 Rpg, and 3.5 fouls per game. Any one of the guys on the bench could do that with the minutes he gets - no matter their size. Our offensive productivity actually goes up when he is out because his defender isn't clogging the lane for our guards. 

And his job as the starting center is to eat up minutes and be physical. Guga averages more minutes per game than him so the starting label is irrelevant. The only other option is Bothum, who outside of one NAIA game is 1-17 from the field and offers nothing defensively 

[EternalOptimist]

35 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

And his job as the starting center is to eat up minutes and be physical. Guga averages more minutes per game than him so the starting label is irrelevant. The only other option is Bothum, who outside of one NAIA game is 1-17 from the field and offers nothing defensively 

Guga should average more minutes - and should be starting.  We can disagree on the role of a starting center, I don't think the role is "eat up minutes and be physical".  What we need is someone to come into the game to relieve Guga, and contribute while in.  The context of what I said was in reference to odd subbing along with short leashes vs longer leashes. It's my opinion that Jones's stats and play shouldn't allow him the extended minutes he gets. It seems your opinion is that we have no other option - which is fine to have. I think however, its a bit unfair to compare a player like Bothun in this situation to Jones. Bothun's playing time up until that NAIA game, was 1-2 minutes a game, and like Wylee was pulled instantly for missing a shot (which really helps the confidence as a shooter). You don't have to believe me, but once he got meaningful minutes (because of the foul trouble of Jones and Guga), he went 5-5, scored 15pts, was the player of the game. Sather basically said he is not a good shooter, he is a great shooter, and he does it in practice. It would be interesting to me to see what increasing his minutes would do to this team. I'm probably in the minority with this opinion, but I would like our 5 to spread the floor and allow our gaurds to penetrate. I actually think both Erickson and Bothun could get 3.2 ppg and 3.5 rpg with even less minutes than Jones gets, and I think the guards production would go up as well.  I agree - offense isn't everything, and maybe the defense would over-ride it, but Jones defense isn't great, and he is tied for 2nd on the team in turnovers. Again just my opinon, and observations based on the stats I see.

[GoodGood]

33 minutes ago, EternalOptimist said:

Guga should average more minutes - and should be starting.  We can disagree on the role of a starting center, I don't think the role is "eat up minutes and be physical".  What we need is someone to come into the game to relieve Guga, and contribute while in.  The context of what I said was in reference to odd subbing along with short leashes vs longer leashes. It's my opinion that Jones's stats and play shouldn't allow him the extended minutes he gets. It seems your opinion is that we have no other option - which is fine to have. I think however, it’s a bit unfair to compare a player like Bothun in this situation to Jones. Bothun's playing time up until that NAIA game, was 1-2 minutes a game, and like Wylee was pulled instantly for missing a shot (which really helps the confidence as a shooter). You don't have to believe me, but once he got meaningful minutes (because of the foul trouble of Jones and Guga), he went 5-5, scored 15pts, was the player of the game. Sather basically said he is not a good shooter, he is a great shooter, and he does it in practice. It would be interesting to me to see what increasing his minutes would do to this team. I'm probably in the minority with this opinion, but I would like our 5 to spread the floor and allow our gaurds to penetrate. I actually think both Erickson and Bothun could get 3.2 ppg and 3.5 rpg with even less minutes than Jones gets, and I think the guards production would go up as well.  I agree - offense isn't everything, and maybe the defense would over-ride it, but Jones defense isn't great, and he is tied for 2nd on the team in turnovers. Again just my opinon, and observations based on the stats I see.

Bothun has 6 rebounds in 75 minutes this season while shooting 1/17 from the field….  It’s less than ideal to have jones playing 17 minutes a night but it’s the best we can do 

[EternalOptimist]

1 hour ago, GoodGood said:

Bothun has 6 rebounds in 75 minutes this season while shooting 1/17 from the field….  It’s less than ideal to have jones playing 17 minutes a night but it’s the best we can do 

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  Jones is a back to the basket 5 man - Bothun is a stretch 4 converted to a 5 and he has been sparingly used to pick and pop. Again, it's not apples to apples. Comparing rebounds doesn't work, and I've gone over the shooting (Donte DiVincenzo for the T-Wolves went on a stretch where he was 4 for 30 from 3 earlier this year - sometimes it happens, especially when you get pulled after the 1st miss). I'm not saying Bothun is the answer - you brought him up.  All I am saying is I don't think Jones deserves the time he is getting based on his stats, and the coaching staff hasn't really tried anything else seriously.  Heck, try Marley Curtis at the 5, try Erickson, just try something. Outside of Guga, our frontcourt isn't producing, our guards can penetrate - try getting that defending big out of the lane - even a low percentage for a 5 is better than a scouting report that says let their 5 shoot from anywhere except the paint - sag and stop the drive. Unfortunately, this should have all been tried before the Summit League games started, not now, but here we are - just another one of the issues with coaching.

On a side note - I like talking about basketball and this team.  In no way do I wish to convey any negative or combativeness in what I say. I welcome talking about it and understand I am not always right. I hope there is no negative feelings by what I say.  I know sometimes forums get a bit tense - I just want a good conversation/debate to sharpen my thinking.  

[SD UND]

9 minutes ago, EternalOptimist said:

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  Jones is a back to the basket 5 man - Bothun is a stretch 4 converted to a 5 and he has been sparingly used to pick and pop. Again, it's not apples to apples. Comparing rebounds doesn't work, and I've gone over the shooting (Donte DiVincenzo for the T-Wolves went on a stretch where he was 4 for 30 from 3 earlier this year - sometimes it happens, especially when you get pulled after the 1st miss). I'm not saying Bothun is the answer - you brought him up.  All I am saying is I don't think Jones deserves the time he is getting based on his stats, and the coaching staff hasn't really tried anything else seriously.  Heck, try Marley Curtis at the 5, try Erickson, just try something. Outside of Guga, our frontcourt isn't producing, our guards can penetrate - try getting that defending big out of the lane - even a low percentage for a 5 is better than a scouting report that says let their 5 shoot from anywhere except the paint - sag and stop the drive. Unfortunately, this should have all been tried before the Summit League games started, not now, but here we are - just another one of the issues with coaching.

On a side note - I like talking about basketball and this team.  In no way do I wish to convey any negative or combativeness in what I say. I welcome talking about it and understand I am not always right. I hope there is no negative feelings by what I say.  I know sometimes forums get a bit tense - I just want a good conversation/debate to sharpen my thinking.  

They can't get Marley to buy in to play a 3/4 and you want them to ask him to be the backup 5 man? I'm sure he would love that idea and would really start to turn his play around.

[Long Snapper 92]

4 minutes ago, SD UND said:

They can't get Marley to buy in to play a 3/4 and you want them to ask him to be the backup 5 man? I'm sure he would love that idea and would really start to turn his play around.

Is he not buying into the system or is he not buying into his position? Two very different things. 

If it’s the latter, what position does he think he should be???