BigChief Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 So fun to see the WCHA doing so well with 5 of the top 8 teams! Team (First Place) Record Pts Last Week 1 Minnesota (36) 10-3-0 596 3 2 Boston College (2) 6-2-2 527 4 3 Colorado College (2) 10-2-0 512 5 4 Wisconsin 10-4-0 503 2 5 Michigan 9-4-1 440 1 6 North Dakota 9-5-2 353 7 7 Denver 8-5-0 309 10 8 New Hampshire 8-3-2 307 6 9 Ohio State 9-4-1 282 9 10 Maine 9-6-1 267 8 11 Vermont 8-4-3 202 15 12 Cornell 5-2-2 151 14 13 Colgate 10-4-0 100 NR 14 Minnesota-Duluth 7-5-2 93 12 15 Northern Michigan 6-4-2 56 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 That's great! Tough conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceberg Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 damn UMD keeps tumbling.....gotta do good against ol Bucky this weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poncho & Lefty Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Hey guys Poncho here, being a fan of the maize and blue it was scary to see Minneosota and Wisconsin play my boys like they did. For me its safe to say that the best the CCHA had to offer (Michigan) looks like St. Cloud of the last 5 years, they'll get to the tournament, but after that nothing will happen. So savor the flavor Michigan is giving u props. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxnami Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 So fun to see the WCHA doing so well with 5 of the top 8 teams! Team      (First Place) Record  Pts Last Week 1 Minnesota      (36)  10-3-0 596  3 2 Boston College    (2)  6-2-2 527  4 3 Colorado College   (2) 10-2-0 512  5 4 Wisconsin           10-4-0 503  2 5 Michigan             9-4-1 440  1 6 North Dakota         9-5-5 353  7 7 Denver              8-5-0 309  10 8 New Hampshire        8-3-2 307  6 9 Ohio State           9-4-1 282  9 10 Maine              9-6-1 267  8 11 Vermont            8-4-3 202  15 12 Cornell             5-2-2 151  14 13 Colgate            10-4-0 100  NR 14 Minnesota-Duluth      7-5-2 93  12 15 Northern Michigan      6-4-2 56  13 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd go so far as to say we have 5 in the top 7... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxtatoo42 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 i'm just glad to see that there isn't a large amount of hockey east in the top 10. personally, i'm sick of them getting all the noteriety (cstv, espn). In the year of the NHL lockout, I'm patiently waiting for the best form of hockey to enter the forefront along side D1 basketball and football on the national level. The WCHA has been the dominant division in all of college hockey for the last decade and i feel like we are deserved the attention by national media. keep it up wcha and God Bless the Fighting Sioux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supertrex Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 i'm just glad to see that there isn't a large amount of hockey east in the top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Goon Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Actually I didn't know that UND had 5 ties already. That should read 9-5-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPoS Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 you mean there IS hockey west of Ohio/Michigan? WOW! Better go tell HAH-vahd! Man, I hate the East coast BIAS! Almost as bad as the liberal bias in the news! WPoS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's more fun Drunk Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Lets start a push to get some College Hockey highlights on ESPN. Irmens goal on the penalty shot made the top ten one nite, exciting stuff. Lets show the hockey that is being played on ESPN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagard Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 This is going to be a very special season in the WCHA. Though not as prestigous both the McNaughton and the Broadmoor will be certainly as hotly contested as the NCAAs. Due to Michigan's weak conference and BC being the only decent eastern team, we are going to see three WCHA number one seeds in the NCAAs. Rediculous. Why recruits would want to play anywhere else right now is beyond me. While Michigan is a fine team and will likely adjust by playoff time, they did not appear to be the least bit prepared to deal with the speed they would see at least three times a month in the WCHA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmitzzz Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I still think winning the league (WCHA), esp this year is a bigger feat than winning the NCAA where anything can happen in the one and done format. There are at least 6 teams in the WCHA that have a strong chance at winning not only the league, but are good enought to win the NCAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagard Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I still think winning the league (WCHA), esp this year is a bigger feat than winning the NCAA where anything can happen in the one and done format. There are at least 6 teams in the WCHA that have a strong chance at winning not only the league, but are good enought to win the NCAA. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The biggest problem with the WCHA regular season is that the unbalanced schedule may come into play in a close race. UW has only two with MSU, MTU, SCSU and CC. UM has only two with UND, UMD, DU, MTU. Lets hypothetically (even though it won't happen) say the Badgers sweep the Gophers in Madison, but finish second to the Gophers by a single point in WCHA play. The only reason for that would have been the schedule. Of course I wouldn't shed a tear for Bucky because a similar schedule discrepency is what allowed them to finish third last year. This is my absolute biggest problem with the WCHA. When playoff seeding means so much (playin game participants have no chance), the WCHA should either balance the schedule, have the playin game mid-week, or drop the bottom two teams from the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 you mean there IS hockey west of Ohio/Michigan? WOW! Better go tell HAH-vahd! Man, I hate the East coast BIAS! Almost as bad as the liberal bias in the news! WPoS <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ironically the liberal bias in the media is because a lot of it starts from the East Coast. Hum, one of the most liberal rags is in the same town as BU, BC, NE and Harvard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 UW has only two with MSU, MTU, SCSU and CC. UM has only two with UND, UMD, DU, MTU. Lets hypothetically (even though it won't happen) say the Badgers sweep the Gophers in Madison, but finish second to the Gophers by a single point in WCHA play. The only reason for that would have been the schedule. Of course I wouldn't shed a tear for Bucky because a similar schedule discrepency is what allowed them to finish third last year. This is my absolute biggest problem with the WCHA. When playoff seeding means so much (playin game participants have no chance), the WCHA should either balance the schedule, have the playin game mid-week, or drop the bottom two teams from the playoffs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You have a point: I think the WCHA league schedule years favors some teams more than other teams because of the unbalanced schedule. For instance UND has Denver (2), UMD (2) and UofM (2), Giving UND an easies schedule. Toughest games in my opinioin are Wisconsin (home) and C.C. (away), UMD, the Sioux ussually play well there so I am not worried about it as much as the other two series. The rest of UND series are against lesser teams in my opinion. (4) UAA, (2) MSU-M (2) SCSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 UW has only two with MSU, MTU, SCSU and CC. UM has only two with UND, UMD, DU, MTU. Excellent point. To follow what Goon has posted, I tracked down the schedule information for the WCHA contenders. For this purpose, I consider the six top WCHA teams (UND, UM, Denver, CC, UMD, Wisco) to be basically equal. UND has only two with MN, UMD, Denver, MTU ... so UND misses 3 top teams Denver has only two with MN, UND, AA, MSUM... so Denver misses 2 top teams CC has only two with UMD, Wisco, AA, SCSU... so CC misses 2 top teams UMD has only two with UND, CC, MN, MSUM... so UMD misses 3 top teams UW misses 1 top team UM misses 3 top teams Looks like UMD, UND and UM have the "easiest" schedules, and Wisconsin the toughest. Of course this stuff might not matter too much, as when you play your opponent (injuries, swoon, etc.) may be more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Still, the discrepancy between WI's schedule and UND's or MN's is significant. It does balance itself out from year to year, but within the year, it might not provide a good comparison team to team. I think I agree now that it is time to find a way to balance out the play one way or the other. I guess I'd be most in favor of finding a way to balance out the regular season schedule, so the McNaughton is fought for on equal terms. Someone else said it earlier, but with the WCHA so (apparently) strong this year, the team that outlasts the others for the McNaughton will have accomplished something. Better for that to be an even playing field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxtatoo42 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Still, the discrepancy between WI's schedule and UND's or MN's is significant. It does balance itself out from year to year, but within the year, it might not provide a good comparison team to team. I think I agree now that it is time to find a way to balance out the play one way or the other. I guess I'd be most in favor of finding a way to balance out the regular season schedule, so the McNaughton is fought for on equal terms. Someone else said it earlier, but with the WCHA so (apparently) strong this year, the team that outlasts the others for the McNaughton will have accomplished something. Better for that to be an even playing field. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> to keep this thought going, you also have to take into account which of the better teams win the games they are supposed to against the UAA's the Techs, and St. Clouds of the league. splitting a series, UND vs. um is a good series, splitting a UND vs. tech is throwing away 2 points and making it that much tougher to be at the top. another big factor is when UND plays a high caliber team, even if it is only the one weekend series, is where they play it. that's what's unfair about the unbalanced schedule. U of M could have the worst record and UND could have the best record in the league and stilll get swept by the goooofers in mariucci. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagard Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Still, the discrepancy between WI's schedule and UND's or MN's is significant. It does balance itself out from year to year, but within the year, it might not provide a good comparison team to team. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Using statistical methods based on predicting outcomes based on KRACH, I strongly believe the difference of UND and UM's schedule vs. UW will be about 2-3 points. I'll demonstrate it in late January when Krach becomes fairly stable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Looks like UMD, UND and UM have the "easiest" schedules, and Wisconsin the toughest. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hence, Wisconsin could drop out of the Top three as a result of having the toughest schedule. We will see. Believe it or not UND only has about 22 games left to see how this plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Using statistical methods based on predicting outcomes based on KRACH, I strongly believe the difference of UND and UM's schedule vs. UW will be about 2-3 points. I'll demonstrate it in late January when Krach becomes fairly stable. On the topic of the thread, here are the current top 5 ranked by Bradley-Terry: 1. Minnesota 256.8100 10-3-0 77.0429 2. Colorado College 189.8530 10-2-0 37.9707 3. Denver 148.5680 8-5-0 92.8551 4. Wisconsin 141.4880 10-4-0 56.5952 5. North Dakota 100.0000 9-5-2 60.0000 What's most interesting to me is how ridiculously lower the strength-of-schedule is for the CCHA/HE teams that appear in the top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I think it would be ideal if the WCHA could have a balanced schedule, but how do you do it? Do you get rid of teams? if so who and where do they go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Just because I complained doesn't mean I have a solution! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Just because I complained doesn't mean I have a solution! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This may sound very elitist but how is this. We arbitrarily name "the big six" Minnesota, Nodak, Wisconsin, CC, Denver and Duluth. All these teams get 4 games a year with each other. Then we have an unbalanced schedule with the rest of them. I know the "other" schools would hate it. Just an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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