MinnesotaNorthStar Posted April 28, 2004 Posted April 28, 2004 Pat Tillman Got What he Deserved He can have his opinion, but to use the death of an American Hero to voice his opinion on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is truly pathetic Quote
BigGreyAnt41 Posted April 28, 2004 Posted April 28, 2004 Can't even get halfway through that...... Quote
jloos Posted April 28, 2004 Posted April 28, 2004 Free speech is a good thing, I would never want the gov't stepping in to censure anybody's opinion. At the same time people need to be responsible for their speech. In this case a good ass kicking sounds about right... by the entire AZ Cardinals offensive line. Quote
MinnesotaNorthStar Posted April 28, 2004 Author Posted April 28, 2004 Free speech is a good thing, I would never want the gov't stepping in to censure anybody's opinion. At the same time people need to be responsible for their speech. In this case a good ass kicking sounds about right... by the entire AZ Cardinals offensive line. .....and defensive line, and linebackers, special teams, safties, running backs, recievers, and a swift kick in the nuts by Billy Gramatica. Quote
jloos Posted April 28, 2004 Posted April 28, 2004 USCHOThe USCHO board has many expressing their 1st amendment rights. Various people have posted the author's, picture, email, phone numbers, and address. The 1st Amendment protects against gov't action, not against the angry mob that is going to make this idiots life hell for the next couple of months (assuming he lives that long). Quote
#1siouxfan22 Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 Pat Tillman had morals and served his country not many people would have had the balls to do what he did. Quote
Fighting Sioux Fan Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 I could not read half of it either, that person makes me sick... Quote
CoteauRinkRat Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 I could not read half of it either, that person makes me sick... I couldn't read it either, it really upsets me to read that kind of garbage. Quote
NDSU grad Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 I first saw it on the I-AA board, and of course all the UMass fans were getting alot of crap. It made my blood boil so bad I wanted to travel to Amherst and inflict bodily harm. If he thinks Pat Tillman is an idiot then all American servicemen who have ever went to war for this country are by his standards idiots. I know there's some lawyers on this board. When does one cross the line of free speech into treason? Quote
jloos Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 I first saw it on the I-AA board, and of course all the UMass fans were getting alot of crap. It made my blood boil so bad I wanted to travel to Amherst and inflict bodily harm. If he thinks Pat Tillman is an idiot then all American servicemen who have ever went to war for this country are by his standards idiots. I know there's some lawyers on this board. When does one cross the line of free speech into treason? I'm not a lawyer, but I did stay at an Holiday Inn express last night. Free speech is not absolute, but this was not even close to being anything criminal. Mr. Gonzalez is 100% protected by the 1st Amendment. Like I said before, people that constantly bring up the 1st Amendment (i.e. Dixie Chicks) do not understand exactly what is protecting them. They are protected from the government, but they are still responsible for their words with the general public. When radio stations refuse to play the Dixie Chicks for what they said, they are not infringing on the Dixie Chicks rights, they are exressing their own Constitutional right to play what they chose. Likewise when Mr. Gonzalez is beaten to a bloody pulp (I seriously hope he is), his 1st Amendment rights will not be violated (some other ones may be but that is another issue). Quote
bigmrg74 Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 I would like to see how well that girl would have fared under the boot of one of those regimes. Her total viewpoint would have been censored over there. She should thank her lucky stars that she is allowed to be able to mouth off in such an over the top way. And we all know how she is given this freedom?? From the men and women who have died to defend this country. Col. Jessep: Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have more responsibility here than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. I know deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you don't want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. Quote
Fighting Sioux Fan Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 This is so disrespectful. It is one thing to be against the war and the actions of our government, but to take it out on our soldiers is just wrong. Pat Tillman did not order troops to Afghanistan, he just volunteered to try to make the world a little safer... read a counterpoint column Quote
NDSU grad Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 I'm not a lawyer, but I did stay at an Holiday Inn express last night. Free speech is not absolute, but this was not even close to being anything criminal. Mr. Gonzalez is 100% protected by the 1st Amendment. Like I said before, people that constantly bring up the 1st Amendment (i.e. Dixie Chicks) do not understand exactly what is protecting them. They are protected from the government, but they are still responsible for their words with the general public. When radio stations refuse to play the Dixie Chicks for what they said, they are not infringing on the Dixie Chicks rights, they are exressing their own Constitutional right to play what they chose. Likewise when Mr. Gonzalez is beaten to a bloody pulp (I seriously hope he is), his 1st Amendment rights will not be violated (some other ones may be but that is another issue). Thanks, jloos. It seems like you always hear some of the conservative pundits (Sean Hannity in particular) bring up the word treason when liberals start spouting off about the war. While I don't necessarily agree that we should try these people for treason, I was just wondering what one has to do to be charged with treason. If what "Hanoi" Jane Fonda did in Vietnam is true, I would certainly think those actions would fall under the realm of treason. Quote
airmail Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 However, in my neighborhood in Puerto Rico, Tillman would have been called a "pendejo," an idiot. This was not "Ramon or Tyrone," who joined the military out of financial necessity, or to have a chance at education. It sounds to me like Ms. Gonzales has an incredible chip on her shoulder. Maybe writing this nonsense helps her stand a little straighter. Quote
airmail Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 ...I was just wondering what one has to do to be charged with treason. United States Constitution Article III Section 3 - Treason Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 Only through careful and logical changing of the underlying conditions that allow for the ideology to foster will Al-Qaeda be defeated. Oh yeah. The US should be more like the Danish. Look what working for "careful and logical" change "of the underlying conditions" got them. But I don't recall the planes being flown into buildings in Copenhagen either. Quote
cfm567b27 Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 It sounds to me like Ms. Gonzales has an incredible chip on her shoulder. Maybe writing this nonsense helps her stand a little straighter. After reading that I'm embarrased in that I'm from Massachusetts. She needs to be lynched Quote
jloos Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 She is actually a he. See the USCHO discussion - pages 4-6 USCHO for a picture, as well as his email addresses, phone number and home address. This idiot appears to be getting a lot of attention, I have yet to hear anything sympathetic towards him. Sadly he will probably get on the national news in the next few days, hopefully just to get roasted. Likely he'll end up getting a job at a newspaper in DC or NYC, even the star trib would be glad to take him. Quote
U2Bad1 Posted May 2, 2004 Posted May 2, 2004 My girlfriend's response to this article.. "Wellll.. he does serve a point" Quote
PCM Posted May 2, 2004 Posted May 2, 2004 My girlfriend's response to this article.. "Wellll.. he does serve a point" If her point was that there are idiots and morons among us too stupid to do what's necessary to protect the quality of life and freedoms they enjoy in this country, then I'd agree that Mr. Gonzales does "serve a point." Quote
PCM Posted May 2, 2004 Posted May 2, 2004 For those like Mr. Gonzalez who don't get it, this editorial explains why Pat Tillman and others are fighting for us. Sunday, April 4, 2004 Up against fanaticism By Phil Lucas Executive Editor The News Herald Panama City, Florida If straight talk of savagery offends you, if you believe in ethnic and gender diversity but not diversity of thought or if you think there is an acceptable gray area between good and evil, then turn to the funny pages, and take the children, too. This piece is not for you. We published pictures Thursday of burnt American corpses hanging from an Iraqi bridge behind a mob of grinning Muslims. Some readers didn Quote
Fighting Sioux Fan Posted May 3, 2004 Posted May 3, 2004 My girlfriend's response to this article.. "Wellll.. he does serve a point" What point is that? This person has no point, just an ignorant and rascist article! Have you heard about how Tillman died? The second half of his platoon was ambushed and he died leading the first half in a counter attack. No one in the second section was killed or even wounded. Two men in the first half were wounded and Tillman was the only casualty. Tillman was awarded the Silver Star, I believe. If I ever see this Rene Gonzalez, he is going to regret it... Quote
PCM Posted May 4, 2004 Posted May 4, 2004 Another sad commentary on Pat Tillman's death by editorial cartoonist Ted Rall. Quote
cfm567b27 Posted May 4, 2004 Posted May 4, 2004 Wonder how many death threats he has received since this piece appeared....What an a$$ Quote
bigmrg74 Posted May 4, 2004 Posted May 4, 2004 either way, I sure as hell wouldn't want to get stuck on the detail thats got to watch that asshole now so that he doesn't get wacked out on the streets now. Quote
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