BisonMav Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 When you are playing legit DI opponents, let me know. You asked and I answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Bisonguy, You keep telling yourselves that if it makes you feel better. While I watch D1 football and teams like Nebraska and Florida St. on Television. As far as the other programs at NDSU, Good Luck, I could actually see myself attending some of those events. Unfortunately I think it will be short lived for some of the lesser sports(especially men's)--seems to be a trend in 1AA programs that many varsity sports seem to disappear over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisonfan1234 Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Bisonguy, You keep telling yourselves that if it makes you feel better. While I watch D1 football and teams like Nebraska and Florida St. on Television. As far as the other programs at NDSU, Good Luck, I could actually see myself attending some of those events.  Unfortunately I think it will be short lived for some of the lesser sports(especially men's)--seems to be a trend in 1AA programs that many varsity sports seem to disappear over time. Keep telling yourself that 1+1=2 if it makes you feel better. Oh wait...it's a fact, just like D1 having 3 subclassifications (1A for 85 full scholly football, 1AA for 65 scholly football, and 1AAA for no football). I'll be the first to agree that 1AA is not the highest competition level in D1 football. That's just what we were looking for. It should also show you something that the NCAA takes football so seriously that it would divid D1 in order to accommodate different athletic programs for their level of football. Not so with ice hockey (either you're a scholarship team D1 or a non-scholarship team D3). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodakvindy Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 It should also show you something that the NCAA takes football so seriously that it would divid D1 in order to accommodate different athletic programs for their level of football. Not so with ice hockey (either you're a scholarship team D1 or a non-scholarship team D3). It takes football so seriously it doesn't even sponsor a championship at the highest level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Not so with ice hockey (either you're a scholarship team D1 or a non-scholarship team D3). WRONG. Harvard, and the other Ivys, all DI schools, do not offer hockey scholarships and they play DI hockey. And the DI-AA football scholarship limit is 63. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD17 Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 It should also show you something that the NCAA takes football so seriously that it would divid D1 in order to accommodate different athletic programs for their level of football. Really? Were you aware that one third of all the schools that play I-AA football don't offer scholarships? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSU grad Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Really? Were you aware that one third of all the schools that play I-AA football don't offer scholarships? I count 30 out of 119. I got the NEC, MAAC, Ivy, and the Pioneer that don't offer scholarships. Who am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD17 Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 I count 30 out of 119. I got the NEC, MAAC, Ivy, and the Pioneer that don't offer scholarships. Who am I missing? Patriot League Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Patriot League that's a debate unto itself, non-scholarship but they do give financial aid based on athletic ability, according to some news articles Colgate (who made the championship game) gave the equivalent of about 55 scholie in aid to athletes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corella Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 that's a debate unto itself, non-scholarship but they do give financial aid based on athletic ability, according to some news articles Colgate (who made the championship game) gave the equivalent of about 55 scholie in aid to athletes. The Ivy League schools do the same thing, it is called a Grant-In-Aid, and a student-athlete signs one much in the same way they sign a letter-of-intent. However, in the NCAA's eyes, it is not an athletic tender, it's like an academic scholarship. So, by law, they are a non-scholarship league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisonfan1234 Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 WRONG. Harvard, and the other Ivys, all DI schools, do not offer hockey scholarships and they play DI hockey. And the DI-AA football scholarship limit is 63. Interesting, so you're confirming that a D1aa football school is, in fact, a D1 school. Thanks for clearing that up. However, what i meant to say was that ice hockey has 2 divisions: 1 where you can offer scholarships and 1 where you can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSU grad Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 It's my understanding that in addition to grant-in-aids the Patriot League does give out bona fide athletic scholarships for football, though not anywhere near the max. I believe national runner up Colgate gave out about 15 last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSU grad Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 I was wrong, I think. I got to wondering about the Patriot and this is what I found. Patriot League rules If you go to page 36 toward the top it says football players cannot receive aid above need-based aid. But then it says (at least how I understand it) that if a football player does receive aid above need, it has to be reported bi-annually. So I apologize for that error, but since we're way off topic nobody probably cares that much anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Interesting, so you're confirming that a D1aa football school is, in fact, a D1 school. Thanks for clearing that up. Look back; did I ever say it wasn't? What I said was DI-AA is "DI small-ball football." Good golly, even MSU-Mankato and UM-Crooston offer football scholarships, but, more than a quarter, approaching a third, of DI-AA "football" schools don't give athletic scholarships. There's a "competitive upgrade" indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD17 Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 that's a debate unto itself, non-scholarship but they do give financial aid based on athletic ability, according to some news articles Colgate (who made the championship game) gave the equivalent of about 55 scholie in aid to athletes. What the Patriot League does with grants-in-aid is the same as what the NE 10 does in D2 and what D3 schools do. It's still non-scholarship football. Some of the NE 10 schools give out alot of money with grants-in-aid like Colgate goes, but no one is going to accuse that conference of being a powerhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 D3 teams offer gran-in-aid too, so what are you saying??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WYOBISONMAN Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 I have to say I am in agreement with the Forum on todays editorial. I would prefer the Nickel to hang in the ND Heritage Center in Bismarck, but I am not upset at all if it stays at UND. http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm...section=Opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corella Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Here's the link to the editorial in today's Forum. Forum editorial Take note of the 1st 2 sentences of the 2nd paragraph, evidently it is UND's fault . Other then that, it is right on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Take note of the 1st 2 sentences of the 2nd paragraph, evidently it is UND's fault . Other then that, it is right on. UND ended the rivalry because NDSU football is moving to Division IAA. Note to the Forum's editorial board: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmrg74 Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Man, do you guys ever get the feeling that NDSU is as desperate as a one-legged sailor with a 1 hour shoreleave to get laid to play you guys again??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMav Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Man, do you guys ever get the feeling that NDSU is as desperate as a one-legged sailor with a 1 hour shoreleave to get laid to play you guys again??? I should say NOT........ UND ended the rivalry because NDSU football is moving to Division IAA. Profound quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisonfan1234 Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Sorry DaveK, the nickel only belongs to the Sioux in the context of the rivalry game. That game is no more so the nickel defaults back to the original owners: the Blue Key. Since the BK only exists at NDSU, they will decide what to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Sorry DaveK, the nickel only belongs to the Sioux in the context of the rivalry game. That game is no more so the nickel defaults back to the original owners: the Blue Key. Since the BK only exists at NDSU, they will decide what to do with it. You wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supertrex Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Sorry DaveK, the nickel only belongs to the Sioux in the context of the rivalry game. That game is no more so the nickel defaults back to the original owners: the Blue Key. Since the BK only exists at NDSU, they will decide what to do with it. BAAAHHHHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! What a dreamer... You might need to saddle up and come and get it, cuz it belongs to UND period and, in the words of Charlton Heston "Out of our cold, dead hands..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supertrex Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Sorry DaveK, the nickel only belongs to the Sioux in the context of the rivalry game. That game is no more so the nickel defaults back to the original owners: the Blue Key. Since the BK only exists at NDSU, they will decide what to do with it. Maybe the solution to this is for the NDSU football team and the BK Club to make up a new trophy, say the Chicken.... Then they could play flag football for it twice a year.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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