YaneA Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 Next year's Sioux hockey schedule appeared in the GF Herald a couple days ago. I don't like the unbalanced schedule and am prepared to p!ss and moan about it forthwith! Particularly distressing, if only from a money grubbing standpoint, is that the Sioux will not host the Gophers next year but instead will play down at Mariucci only. Gopher-Sioux weekend is always the biggest of the year here in the Grand Cities so the hotels and the restaurants are getting shortchanged by the scheduling. We also play Michigan Tech only twice rather than four times and there will be no road trip to Duluth, as we play the Bulldogs also twice (here) rather than four times (here and there). : ( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 The new WCHA scheduling technique explained, sort of: http://sports.yahoo.com/m....ng.html YaneA: What you said doesn't follow. MTU and UMD are 'rival' partners. If UND only plays two games against one of them they play four against the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 I saw the schedule a few day back. We are playing two ECAZ schools The Breaker Tourney opening against Michigan Niagra University Canisus University I also heard from the coaches show that it was UND, BSU, Brandon and I think Manatoba or something like that. We definately have some patsys on the schedule next season. I think I heard Hennessey say that the tourney will be for like three years. I am sure we will get better teams later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux_hockey Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 Can someone post the schedule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux_hockey Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 What teams do we play a series with in non-conference play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YaneA Posted March 20, 2002 Author Share Posted March 20, 2002 Non-conference games & tournaments: Sioux open with Punch Imtach tourny in Buffalo, NY Oct. 11-12 (paper didn't say who's in it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 There are some good things about this schedule but frankly I don't think I like it very much overall. Also, I thought we were supposed to play SCSU 2 series next year, or is that scheduling system NOT in effect yet?? I don't like the patsy non-conference schedule much at all. I don't like starting conference play until well into November. However, it does give us a number of games 6-7? under our belt before we start conference play. So in a way, that's a wash. We seem to have an abnormal number of home games early in the season, and spend the last half the season on the road. Too bad we don't have MN in Grand Forks. Always a good weekend in GF. And it would be nice to put to rest some of the gopher fans feeling they "own" the new REA. Too bad we don't go to Duluth because that has become a nice family get-away for me!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 There's a mistake in there somewhere. The schedule lists only 13 conference weekends (26 games). It should be 14 weekends (28 games). It shows seven home but only six road series. Also, based on the link that describes the new scheduling format, it appears that schedule is missing a trip to SCSU (you play your 'rival' four times). However, UMD and MTU were supposed to be "rivals" as were UAA and Mankato. Rivals means we'd play one of them for four and one of them for two. The schedule shows both UMD and MTU for two and both UAA and Mankato for four. That also doesn't jive unless there's been a switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choyt3 Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 Not having Minnesota coming in next year will really put a strain on the fickle fans that sell their Gopher tickets to Gopher fans in order to pay for their season tickets for the rest of the year... Don Lucia is the one that designed the system. (or so he says) SCSU is our 'natural rival' according to him, so we'll play them every year 4 times. I'm wondering why we are playing such an easy non-conference schedule. Don't teams want to come to Grand Forks to play? Come on... Bemidji State, Brandon University, and the University of Manitoba is the best we can get for a holiday tourney? Our season tickets are going up next year for this? Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YaneA Posted March 20, 2002 Author Share Posted March 20, 2002 Sicatoka-- Yep, I messed it up. I omitted a St. Cloud series but edited the schedule post. If I still don't have it right, forgive me. I only know what I read in the Grand Forks Herald! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 Geez, YaneA, now I have to revise my whole post following it. Nope, ain't going to do it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 YaneA: If all you know comes from the Herald, you are hurtin'. That still isn't right compared to what the link said, but I'll blame the Herald. Under the new system you play half a "rivals pair" four games and the other half for two. Supposedly UAA and Mankato are rivals but you show four against both. Supposedly MTU and UMD are rivals but you show two against both. Did the Herald make a mistake or did the rivals pairs switch? If MTU was rivals with either UAA or Mankato the schedule you list would work. Actually, wouldn't Mankato and UMD and UAA and MTU as rivals make some sense? Who knows. Ask Don "the architect of the schedule" Lucia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YaneA Posted March 20, 2002 Author Share Posted March 20, 2002 Boy, tough crowd! I double checked what I typed with the actual schedule I cut out of the Herald, folded neatly and placed in my wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 Verrry interesting. In some ways it's like a mirror image of this season: home from mid-November to mid-January instead of away for all that time, and finish with three of four weekends away. Things I like: Only three weekends off all year - Oct 18-19, Dec 20-21, Jan 17-18. Four if you count the week between the regionals and the Frozen Four. No three-month road trip - It's still not balanced (three straight road series followed by six straight home weekends), but it's better. Things I don't like: Very weak non-conference opponents - It is good for college hockey to schedule these guys, but they won't do much to prepare the team and the RPI is already begging for mercy. I wish we could get all the schedule abuse from some of our opposing fans out of the way now. Since UND has the extra games from the UAA trip this year, I guess you could consider the Canisius series in mid-December as two extra games instead of having the weekend off. SCSU in the first half - Once again we aren't able to participate in the Husky Swoon, as all of our SCSU games are done by December 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YaneA Posted March 20, 2002 Author Share Posted March 20, 2002 The REA site has only the home schedule for 2002-03. www.ralphengelstadarena.com/schedule.html And before you guys jump on me, note that the REA site schedule doesn't jibe with what the Herald said either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 We'll go generic. Rivals: A/B, C/D, E/F, G/H, I/J A's schedule first year: x2: at C, at E, G, I x4: D, F, H, J, and B A's second year: x2: C, E, at G, at I x4: D, F, H, J, and B A's third year: x2: at D, at F, H, J x4: C, E, G, I, and B A's fourth year: x2: D, F, at H, at J x4: C, E, G, I, and B The Herald says: x2: at UM, at DU, UMD, MTU x4: UW, CC, UAA, Mankato, and SCSU except that doesnt' work unless UMD and MTU really aren't "rivals" like the link says. Maybe UMD and Mankato are rivals. Maybe someone screwed up and swapped MTU and Mankato in print. Also note the Herald lists 39 games. OK, take out the Oct 22 Manitoba exhibition and that's 38. Figure one exhibition game (Brandon probably, considering Manitoba will have already been played once) in the holiday tournament. That's 37 games. The Punch Imlach Tournament is probably, probably, like the Icebreaker and doesn't count as games (don't quote me). That's 35. The limit is 34, unless you play in Alaska against UAA or UAF, then you can do 36 games, thus UND's limit next year is 36. I guess that's the schedule. Actually, they have room one more game, or even two if they don't play Bemidji in the holiday tournament final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 What's on the Arena web site fogs things up worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choyt3 Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 Someone could always email the UND SID... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiork Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 Another Possibility It could be that the rival pairings were switched (MSU/UMD is a fitting match, except storied Tech gets shafted). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 Another Possibility It could be that the rival pairings were switched (MSU/UMD is a fitting match, except storied Tech gets shafted). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux_hockey Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 Non-conference games & tournaments: Sioux open with Punch Imtach tourny in Buffalo, NY Oct. 11-12 (paper didn't say who's in it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 SIOUX_HOCKEY, The first tourney is the Ice Breaker and they play UofMich according to Blaiser on the coaches show. I am not sure who else is in that tourney, I suppose a HE and a EZAC team or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux_hockey Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 Conference schedule: at St. Cloud Nov. 8-9 at Anchorage Nov. 15-16 Wisconsin Nov. 22-23 Mankato Nov. 29-30 St. Cloud Dec. 6-7 Colorado College Jan 3-4 at Minnesota Jan. 10-11 Anchorage Jan 24-25 at CC Jan 31-Feb 1 Michigan Tech Feb. 7-8 at Denver Feb. 14-15 at Mankato Feb. 21-22 Duluth Mar. 1-2 at Wisconsin Mar 7-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux_hockey Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 Yeah, I know it sucks that Minnesota isn't coming here, but as far as points go, playing them once will be a good thing. Plus, we play them at Minnesota, where there will most likely be a split! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 YaneA, If you were paying attention at all this past season, you would realize that the WCHA has decided on "natural rivals" for the regular season, meaning that there will be only one school that each team plays four times a year. Minnesota vs Wisconsin Colorado College vs Denver Michigan Tech vs Minnesota-Duluth North Dakota vs St Cloud State and by default, Minnesota State (Mankato) vs Alaska-Anchorage Outside of the "natural rival," the other schools rotate around where schools will play them in a single series for that season. I know, I know, people will whine about UND being Minnesota's natural rival, but let's be honest, everyone in the WCHA thinks Minnesota is their biggest rival. It's obvious from Big 10 action in football and basketball, that Wisconsin and Minnesota are a great fit. That applies to hockey as well. MafiaMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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