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Taylor in his infinite wisdom should have put a time limit on MSU's buyout. Of course bison fans would never ever blame Taylor for not doing his job. Just attack us and anyone that doesn't have your agenda. The last six posts prove your dufusness.

Thought together with Phase II it was $18 mill. 82sioux knows for sure. UND just raised over $300 mill. If UND announces it needs money to go FBS, I'm certain money can be raised (and not off the students backs) and fairly quickly if its less then $25 Mill. Naming rights for the IPF complicated fundraising for it. 2017 would be the must have date, so if my theory is right, it needs to happen fairly quickly.

Phase II is of the IPF is designed to have East Side stands built over them. How much would it cost to get stands built and have a FBS compliant stadium? 20 mill is my guess. Another $40 mill would gold plate it and refurbish the west side. If your talking a roof or retractable roof, the numbers soar. Later games in November could still be played in the Alerus with no expansion (as long as Memorial was big enough ~18K? - to average 15k for the season).

The Big Ten share bowl revenue equally after individual team costs are deducted. I hardly think Minnesota spent $3 mill on Alamo Bowl expenses. The MAC doesn't make money on the Idaho Potato Bowl, but the Big Sky could if they bus.

UMontana is adding softball and improving their locker rooms and practice facility before they move to FBS. Those expenses don't count now and probably didn't belong as FBS expenses.

The biggest cost of going FBS is the stadium that would have to be expanded to get a conference invite- tens of millions or more. Some Big Sky schools wouldn't have that. Going from 63 to 85 scholarships + Title IX = ~ 44 schollies = $1.0 mill / yr (not all would need that, some would need more) Going FCS to FBS $0.5 mill in more coaching salaries and support if its kept on a budget 200 k - fee for Sun Belt affiliate for two years $4 mill possible for some schools, especially if a name coach was hired or if sports had to be added Benefits FBS playoff stipend = $1.0 mill / team ($1.2 mill reduced by 5/6 by having 6 conferences rather than 5 that aren't power conferences) Bowl dividend - $100 K / team (bowls in Seattle, Minneapolis to be created, take over MAC's position in Idaho Potato Bowl) (assumes no NIU gets in the Orange Bowl ) ESPN ~ $100 K / team (about what the MAC gets) Local TV deals ~ $ 200 k / team increase FBS Guarantees $ 0.5 - 1.0 mill increase Increased sponsors / advertisers: $200 k Increased tickets sold / prices: $200 k Travel won't increase for Big Sky teams but would for JMU and Mo St Vastly increased publicity over FCS

I think that the Presidents of Slummit schools know that they have to get better to get out of the Slummit, so those Presidents hire and fire coaches more to get results. USD just fired its BB coach. Most Big Sky schools don't have anywhere to go. Basketball in the Big Sky is secondary to football. The Big West is no different than the Big Sky (most Big West schools can't leave even if they wanted to), and except for Long Beach St and maybe Fullerton and UCSB and maybe UC Irvine, the Big West doesn't produce many winners. (Last real winners from the Big West were UNLV, Nevada, and Utah St, and they all graduated to the MWC.) In the Slummit, a school has to win to get out of that forsaken league. If they didn't win, they can chose the WAC to get out, like perennial bottom feeder UMKC (and even arguably Chicago St). The Slummit is a beginners league, and schools leave on average about one every year. Slummit schools are hungrier to get out.

The Class A girls and boys are normally co-located somewhere where there's two courts, so the Ralph and the Betty must have done it together. The Class B girls and boys don't need that arranagement, as they are not the same weekend.

The Big Sky historically has teams like Weber St and Montana that just reload. Other Big Sky schools never get loaded, except maybe Portland St and UND and UNC. Idaho St and Montana St and Sac St never seem to be up. The Summit has one and done and then rebuild for 3 yrs schools like NDSU. The only Summit schools that seemed to be good every year were Valpo and Oakland and Oral Roberts, and they left.

Was Minot Model the previous name of Minot Ryan? Was it a parochial school, of was it a private prep school?

MSU backed out of the NDSU game because it wasn't a guarantee game, so MSU scheduled SMU where they could make big bucks. MSU added on to their stadium so they could be FBS and follow Montana if Montana ever went FBS. Its not a matter of if but of when. NDSU will be waiting by the phone for the MAC to call ... in 20 years. Montana State is the most hated team at Bisonville after UND. Congrats to our rival the Bobkitties for that esteemed accomplishment. When you are hated by bisonville, you doing something good!

You know this how? Idaho adds nothing without football. Seattle or Denver would have been much stronger adds than an Idaho that didn't bring in football.

UM and MSU have money problems because their are FCS. The former Montana AD said they either had to go FBS or they had to go DII. FCS wasn't a long term option. UNI isn't an FBS option any more because the MVC can't merge with the WAC to get to FBS any longer. FCS is the problem: it won't last because there is no money in it. The NCAA will have higher voting rights to the super conferences, but won't force the other FBS conferences down. FCS conferences are the real losers here. FCS conferences will be an informal division III within Division I. The MAC, Sun Belt, CUSA, American, MWC, and the Big Sky will be inbetween FCS and true FBS. UND is going to upgrade Memorial as part of the phase II of the IPF, in my estimation. When Phase I of the IPF is finished, Phase II will be announced.

N UNI, Ind St, and Ill St were making a lot of noise 18 months ago about moving up to FBS. The MAC was never going to invite them, (except possibly Ill St, but N Ill is blocking them) because the MAC wants east coast schools with TV eyeballs like JMU, Stony Brook, and Delaware. UNI was serious about FBS in 2012, but it wasn't from the MAC. http://www.northern-iowan.org/uni-exploring-move-to-fbs-football-1.2766658#.UyB4F_muSUY The WAC commissioner was quoted as saying a midwest FCS league was in merger talks with the WAC. That midwest league could only have been the MVC. From a business standpoint, the Sun Belt had every reason to stop Idaho and NMSU from forming a Midwest or Southeast FBS league, which the WAC was threatening to do. The Sun Belt had already lost members and was threatened with losing more. But individually, a new FBS conference would have been expensive to Idaho and NMSU, so the Sun Belt found it could take over those programs by offering then affiliates spots and effectively kill the FBS WAC. Why didn't Idaho just drop to FCS ? That has never been answered. Idaho is joining the Big Sky, but not dropping to FCS. Why would the Big Sky agree to take Idaho for other sports without Idaho dropping football to FCS? That never made a lick of business sense. The Sun Belt would lose by allowing another league to form, but if they delay another FBS league from forming for five years and they get payments from all the Big Sky teams for two years, the Sun Belt would have a higher NAV with the Big Sky FBS. To the Sun Belt, it makes financial and business sense to give Idaho a home for two years, incubate Big Sky football starting in 2016, and then hatch a Big Sky FBS league in 2018. Why didn't the Sun Belt just give Idaho affiliate membership until 2015, but then gives a two year conditional membership? Why is Idaho scheduling FBS games and no FCS games well after it's football is forced back to the Big Sky? Those questions have never been answered. The key things to watch are if UCDavis, Cal Poly, and UND make a move to increase seating to at least 15,000 by 2016, and if Montana and Montana State make a move to have 16 programs (from 15) by 2016, FBS is coming to the Big Sky via Idaho and the Sun Belt. The Big Sky will not ever have the TV contracts or NCAA voting rights like the SEC and Big Ten. It will be an equal to the MAC and Sun Belt as a second class NCAA conference. But it will have more stature than 3rd class FCS leagues like the CAA, MVFC, and Southland. One of those leagues was going to take the place of the WAC, and I'm just glad that the Big Sky will be in the winning position.

The NCAA is not going to bat an eye if one conference - the Big Sky - attempts to replace what was formerly an FBS WAC. A third FBS conference in the west is needed. A fifth one in the Midwest is not needed. NCAA rule changes take two years to implement. Once it starts, there nothing the NCAA can do to stop it. If the Big Ten wanted 20 teams, the NCAA wouldn't stop it,but your saying if the Sun Belt has 20 teams for two years, the NCAA would raise holy hell. Good luck convincing them that will happen.

The Betty is way to small. Crowds of 10,000 can be possible with the right matchups and weather. The Betty is used for regional B tournamets (Region 2), as crowds don't exceed 3 k. The Class B boys is switching back to the same weekend as the NCHC/WCHA/B1G conference finals in Minneapolis. That means the REA might be open if the women aren't playing. Hosting the Class B might be possible, which would bring in bucks to the REA and UND sports. The FargoDome and the Alerus Center are perfect for prep football finals, but have too much space for basketball.

Although this was a disappointing season, I like our chances. The team really had a lot of travel to get to Cedar City on short turnaround from the UNC game. Its not surprising that they lost, as they had bus and plane legs. I hope they fly into Salt Lake tomorrow, as that will give their legs time to recover. Weber isn't playing that well, so if we get that far they could be knocked off. We'd end up in Dayton for the 1st round, and likely play a SWAC or MEAC team.

A play-in game is considered a 1st round game. All games won count as a unit for the conference involved except the championship game. Thought the Summit had a play-if game a couple of years ago. Edit: Oakland beat Alabama A&M in a play in game in 2005. That was the last game the much vaunted Summit League (in Fargo and Sioux Falls) won in the tournament. The Summit League doesn't get any extra units of pay because that was so long ago. The last winning Summit League round of 64 team was Valpo in 1998 when they beat Ole Miss and then Florida.

The whole idea of this thread is that the Big Sky collectively is going to move to FBS, not UND by itself. The MAC and Sun Belt are FBS conferences, but nobody associates them with the "big boys". The MAC has enrollments that probably average 5000 more then the Big Sky. The Sun Belt schools are smaller than the Big Sky and are hardly research schools. A conference of: W Mich C Mich E Mich N Ill Ball St Miami Toledo Bowling Green Akron Kent St Ohio Buffalo UMass Has rights and privileges of FBS. Why shouldn't UND and the Big Sky? The Sun Belt will be these schools next year: Appalachian St Ga St Ga Southern Troy USA La Monroe La Lafayette Ark St Texas St Idaho NMSU and one to be announced Is that exclusive company that no other FCS conference should dare to approach?

Probably true if the Big Sky doesn't follow through. Notice there aren't any Pioneer League teams after 2015. Not advocating FBS, but just observing some issues. Missouri State doesn't have an easy time scheduling H/H with FCS teams.

Notice how the Missouri St H/H is staggered: @ Mo State next year (when Mo St probably starts their FBS transition) @UND in 2018, when UND must have home FBS opponents Missouri St knows they are going FBS with the MAC or Sun Belt. They probably think the 2018 game will be cancelled. Our AD is an idiot for scheduling a H & H with Mo St as out home game would be cancelled by Mo St unless we go FBS? Or he know's something that hasn't been announced by both schools? In 2017, the @USD will be cancelled, as FBS teams don't play @ FCS teams. Only the 2016 game at GF will be played, if UND is going FBS. Smart scheduling if UND is going FBS starting in 2016. 2017@Utah 2018@Washington The PAC 12 is considering banning games vs FCS teams. Why would UND think those Pac12 games would be played as scheduled unless UND was FBS?

Not looking good for the Betty hosting. (unless SUU loses the next game and ... )

Yet UMass and UMH are spending millions to bring their on-campus facilities up to date (and in UMass's case FBS compliant). UMass made a mistake moving football to the Patriot's field. They want in the American Conference eventually (so does UNH). http://www.unionleader.com/article/20140204/NEWS06/140209740/0/NEWS12

Now that the boys class B has been returned to the 3rd weekend in March, the REA is the most appropriate facility and is available then. After all, the Class B was in Grand Forks at the Hyslop for most of the 50's and 60's. That's when it grew.

Would be interesting if the REA hosted the Class B instead of the Alerus. When they switch the Class B boys and girls, the B boys should be the weekend of the Frozen Faceoff, so their wouldn't be any issue with UND hockey.