scpa0305
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Seems it is easier to put up better numbers in Major Junior than it is in college though. Guys like David Toews, Corey Fienhage and Charlie Coyle's numbers were a lot better after they left college.
That's because a lot of the players are younger....when these uber talented kids play against other kids they go bonkers. When uber talented kids play against young men...their numbers aren't as good. Although one has to remember some of these uber talent kids playing in the CHL would absolutely light up college hockey as well. That league is littered with 1st round, and potential 1st round, draft picks. D. Toews would have been older when he went there. Also, the depth isn't there in the CHL.....it is a league for prospects to do well in. They are offensively gifted however they may not be as mature...their numbers would take a hit playing against bigger/older players.
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Tough to type, but I think it's a bad hockey weekend for my favorite squads: Sioux get swept at Miami (5-3 and 3-2) and Gophs sweep Bemidji (5-2 and 4-2). Oh well, it's better than no hockey.
Wow, pessimistic aren't we. Power of positive thinking....my new motto this year.
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jumping to pad his stats? He is going to the toughest non pro league in the world.
It isn't about padding stats, it is about competing at the highest level in order to have a chance as a top draft pick.
As i said earlier- average BCHL offensive numbers and UND equals no WJC, and all of the above equals probably not high first round
Checkmate.
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Just saying that there are several guys who put up big numbers in the USHL who don't when they get to college and also several guys who don't really put up numbers in the USHL who all of a sudden become pretty respectable scoring threats in college.
I totally agree...it isn't a sin to start worrying about some players though is it? I was the one defending Gropp because his numbers aren't off the charts so far, even though the hockey community knows this kid will play in the NHL.
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Yeah, to me if you are just looking to get drafted high to get that one initial big payday, then maybe you should be going to school anyway. If I were scouting him and saw him jump ship because his numbers weren't there, I would question whether he will have the work ethic to get his game to the next level. With all the scouting and physchological tests and things being administered to prospective draft picks in all Major League sports, I would think it would hardly go unnoticed that someone chose to quit at a level he was struggling in order to find a place to pad his stats for the draft. Could just be a matter of wanting a change of scenery or different style of play, but it wasn't really presented that way by the Penticton administration. Don't want to sound like sour grapes because I don't know the kid, just curious how that type of situation plays out with the NHL scouts. Obviously Drake Caggiula left the USHL to play somewhere more comfortable, so not knowing all the facts behind this, I can't really wish bad on Gropp.
From the sounds of it his parents were pushing college super hard. I'm guessing in the back of his mind he wanted to play in Canada all along and he finally got the courage to say that. I'm doubting the NHL scouts will bat an eye at this, from an NHL GM's standpoint it may be better (for them) for the kid to get into their system where they can have more control. If I was a parent of the kid, I would like them to go the college route in case hockey doesn't work out (as is the case many times; the teams could care less about those kids who don't pan out). Overall makes sense, I simply like when we pluck those Canadian kids after the CHL has plucked so many of our US boys over the past 5 years or so.
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Lucky. I'll be at Joe Sensors with some ND buddies. Should be a great time. Hopefully the boys come to play....I'm pumped already.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking those guys, just saying that Brodzinski wasn't just a toss in on that top line last year for St. Cloud.
yeah I know what you meant. I played against Brodzinski in this past summer's Walleye Chop tourney in the Cities...he does have an absolute bomb.
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It is Jonny Brodzinski's stats. I am not saying he will put up those numbers again this year, but it is an example of a kid who was buried on the 3rd line in Fargo for whatever reason, but did learn to be responsible in his own end and they even had him killing penalties which helped earn him Motzko's confidence to send him out there with LeBlanc.
Someone else in this thread asked for other examples....
do it yourself until you realize you were wrong.
What? What was I wrong about? You provided a pretty small sample there. Haha, don't get feisty.
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Then why do people complain about O'Donnell and Mitch MacMillan if you can just throw any old person out there and they should have numbers. Seems to me O'Donnell did get to play with Knight and Kristo.
I think O'Donnell looks a lot better. He should have had better numbers playing with Knight and Kristo. I don't think he played with them a lot though. Also, he's looking a little better this year. Not going to comment on Mitch.
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I'll take 22 goals and 33 points out of a freshman any year.
Who were his linemates? If that's Brody's numbers you were showing that would be funny...he got to play with leblanc. Go check out setiguchi and cheechoo while they played with thorton....great passers create goal scorers.
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If no team in the USHL has played more than 10 games, I generally feel it's too early to discuss recruits with "poor stats."
Tri-City does not have a player with more than 2 points in 5 games played. Just saying.
I agree...regarding tri city, I saw that. As mentioned before, I shouldn't have included Austin in my comment. Rowe, voltin and Wilkie have all played numerous USHL games with subpar numbers. Wilkie is the only one I think will end up with a "plus" offensive upside. We'll see though.
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To be clear, I never said they were DOT. I said their talent level as a line was between Frattin, Malone and Trupp and DOT. I think they are slightly better than the former and not as good as the latter.
Are you referring to the barber line? I wouldn't say they are as good as malones line yet.
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4 on 4 would be fun to watch first. Why not just follow the nhl?
That would have been too smart of a decision.
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I am still not sold on the shootout; it takes away from the team aspect. But as long as they aren't used in the playoffs, I can live with it.
My thinking exactly. Especially since we have some crafty forwards and a solid goalie.
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Not saying your wrong...more for discussion, tell me one player who had poor junior numbers that went on to excel at und.
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I think a split is best case scenario IMO. We showed no ability to adjust our style play to the way either game last weekend was officiated. Their PP will bury us if we take penalties like last weekend. Hak has to find another line other than Rocco's. Mark Mac is a wasted talent as he is playing with Mitch. Defensively we will struggle...too many Fr. playing. Excited to watch the game on TV Friday though.
We have disagreed a tad the the defensemen in past weeks but Miami may expose our youth
. As far as Mark goes, you couldn't be more right, my buddies and I have been saying this every game. Mark is so good, I think if you put Chyzk on that line it would be such an improvement. I believe Mark will be a solid NHLer. -
One question, the UND vs Miami game will be broadcast on UND insider?
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Best case scenario is we pull off the upset and sweep them. However I think a split is more likely. Hopefully we get that W on Friday night; the ref's better let the players be the deciding factor on the outcome of the game. Last weekend was some terrible officiating...on both ends. I have watched an NHL where there were no penalties called before....last weekend there must have been double digit penalties called in both games.
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Very much agree with these sentiments. Having watched the likes of Wilkie & Poganski numerous times over the past year, I'm not concerned about their abilities translating to the NCAA level. They'll be fine, regardless of their slow start to the USHL season.
Voltin and Rowe are a little more concerning. Voltin, who I've only seen a few times, shows very promising flashes but then virtually disappears for long stretches. Rowe I've only seen twice, and one of those times was his first game back from a lengthy injury absence. Nothing remarkable on either occasion though. He and Cedar Rapids will be in Fargo tomorrow night to play the Force, so I'm looking forward to getting another look at him, along with Cakebread and, hopefully, Johnson.
I guess Voltin is one that come's to mind, I have never seen him play but his stats have been relatively sub par his entire USHL career.
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Exactly.
I think the same poster was sour on Luke Johnson because of his points total in the USHL as well. Never mind roles, systems, effort and other factors that play into the level of contribution any given player can make to a program.
I am not the same poster....I did note that Luke's number last year took a dip from the year before but I have had his back from the beginning. I should have left Austin out of my previous comment but the rest stands. Also, Luke's numbers were solid in my mind.
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You are worried about Poganski and Wilkie who are playing in a tougher league, but you are upset we lost Gropp who didn't put up good numbers in an offensive league. Put too much stock in numbers.
Gropps numbers were not terrible...and the BCHL is second (barely) to the USHL in all of NA. He had 8 pts in 10 games....I too thought they would have been better but he had time to pick it up. The USHL is an offensive league as well. What I meant is that Wilkie has been playing in the USHL circuit for the past two years and his numbers are not that great compared to others who went through the NTDP. I stil root for them...don't get me wrong. It is also early in the season they can both pick it up. I should have held back on Poganksi, his numbers aren't great but it's a small sample, in a new league, and his team is bad I believe. Fair.
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Honestly Gropp probably watched Friday night's hockey game and realized playing 4 minutes of even strength hockey a game won’t prepare him for the pro’s like the WHL will. It's honestly like watching basketball. Who has the better PP unit.
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That's an interesting question. The Sioux have many forwards lined up for future years with the possibility of Schmaltz, Wilkie, Gersich, Poganski, Olson, Rowe and Voltin for next year. It will be interesting to see who gets brought in. I think Schmaltz and Olson are the only guarantees at this point. I was wondering if this opens up the possibility of a guy like Tyler Sheehy? Not sure if there is interest either way just throwing it out there to see if anyone has any insight. I'm thinking it would be a long shot though.
The players I am worried about are Voltin, Wilkie, Rowe (I believe) and Poganksi. There numbers so far in the USHL are pretty bad. I know that isn't the end all however one has to start wondering what there upside is. They are young but there are other players just as young tearing up the USHL right now going to other schools.
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Exactly why he is moving to the dub. I also never said he was going to be a top 10 pick. I said he was positioning, which is exactly what he is doing. Agree about an average year in the BCHL not translating to a top 10- again, exactly why he is moving on.
Without major junior experience, and with a mediocre BCHL season, it would be unlikely that he would make the Canadian WJC team- which, as a college player, would pretty much kill his high first round chances...
Toews does not go #3 overall without his WJC performance.
You are exactly right....the only reason he did this is to market himself. If all he has to do is work on is offense why would he go to college where players are bigger/faster/stronger/older. If I was him I would go tear up the WHL to market myself as he is already a very big kid. Again, I can rationalize his thinking I am just pissed our program lost out on this kid.
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