scpa0305
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Then don't, there is no excusing what Matt Cooke has done over the years. He ended the career of a Boston forward in Marc Savard, I also am sick of Pittsburg fans defending him as if he is some kind of a victim and he’s misunderstood. If he left the game tomorrow, the NHL would be better place for it…
Think of it this way, if you would, imagine if the wonderful D-bag has ended the career of Alexander Ovechkin, Jonathan Toews or Sidney Crosby people would probably hold him in a different light. I don’t know if you do twitter but there are quite a few writers out there that few similar to this.
When you listen to him talk, he sounds like a sociopath.
You can bring up Andrew Ference, and Brad Marchand both guys together don't equal a third of the douchebaggery that Cooke has committed over the years. Neither of the said players have ended the careers of anyone or been suspended 31 games by the NHL. 31 > 7
True. I was specifically focusing on the hit from Saturday...I know who Matt Cooke is. I also know that he knows that the league is watching him very closely. I also saw the hit on mcquaid and thought mcquaid should not have spun when he knew Cooke was flying at him. But, I wouldn't shed a tear if Cooke was gone.
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Respectfully....look at who wrote the article. I like a ton if the stuff u write but come on man. Can't just put something out there from Boston based news. It's not line Boston doesn't have any iffy players on the team (ference, Marchand, etc). I hate that it sounds like I'm sticking up for Cooke.
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I didn't call him dirty, so please don't create straw dogs.
Yes, he plays hard, but the rules of hockey say that the onus is on the player attempting a body check to control himself. Reckless abandon is no excuse for leading with your elbow.
Setting that aside, he's one of the NHL's best players and I have a natural liking for hard nosed guys who play both ends of the rink and can also score. (Matt Frattin, Brad Malone, Travis Zajac, to name just 3 of UND's alumni.)
Settle down buddy, I wasn't assuming you said he was "dirty" but many others on this site think he's a dirty player and how you initially said "he did it again" made me think you were one of those guys. I just wanted to respond because I saw that hit and there was more than what you can see in a replay that goes into it. Anyways, my bad for you taking it the wrong way.
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I just saw the Cooke hit from last night. Although Cooke is a major POS, I don't think his hit was as deliberately dirty as Marchands. Brad knew what he was doing and Cooke was going for the hit and McQuaid spun. Whatever's whatever though. Bruin's own coach noted McQuaid has a responsibility to protect himself.
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I think that is some kind of St. Patrick's Day jersey. I think I saw a cloverleaf on one of them once. Somebody can correct me if I am wrong.
You are 100% correct.
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Brown did it again tonight, leading with his elbow attempting to check Duncan Keith. Fortunately Keith fell and Brown missed.
Pushing hard for Hawks this series....but I did not see Brown attempt to elbow Keith. The way Keith fell backwards it just looked that way. I honestly think that Brown goes so hard and so fast into his hits he cannot control himself...he is just trying to make contact. Have you ever heard him explain his hits....I really don't think he tries to be dirty. Up until late last year he was one of the hardest working body checkers in the league. Then he had that dirty hit in the playoffs last year and people actually started to focus in on him. When you play with reckless abandon and try to hit everything that moves, sometimes they can look dirty. Again, I'm not a LA fan whatsoever but I do like Greene and Brown. Call him dirty all you want but if I was building a team from scratch I would want a player like him on the team.
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What I find interesting is that fighting is considered "part of the game" in hockey, but in most other sports, it is not tolerated at all. Fighting in the NFL or NBA means a stiff fine and/or suspension. Fighting in MLB (with the exception of the occasional pitcher-hitter fights over pitch location) is also met with a zero tolerance mentality. Is it the sticks? Is it the fact that hockey is faster than all the sports I listed above? Or is it based in the origins of the game and the working-class, blue-collar environment from which it emerged? I wonder what everyone else thinks because I think it's a combination of all of those things.
I think this has something to do with it. It is the type of people playing the game. With basketball, the fans are too close to the game. With football...well someone would honestly die. Baseball is similar....fighting isn't prevalent but does happen.
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I just saw the dirty elbow by Brown on Toews from the last game...Not a very good video... I will get it up if I can find it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyBSB0PIZJw
Was the hit that bad? I know it was looked at but they allowed Brown to play tonight. Long story short, you hate the guy when he goes against your squad but you'll like him once the Olympics roll around. He is a solid player. And I would love to have some that hits that much on my line. He does have a few questionable hits though.
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All from the NHL Rule Book for 2012-2013. I tried to just quote items that referred to offensive words or gestures.
Thank you. I have seen this called for players trash talking many times. 99% goes uncalled but it happen all the time.
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Haggerty is an unobjective Boston homer. The Bruins are the dirty team, the Penguins are just standing up to the bully. That is all.
First thing I have agreed with you on since the nickname I believe. Now were moving in the right direction.
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What do you mean taught a lesson? What lesson is being taught? There is no rule against talking trash, and there is nothing in the rule book that gives somebody a free pass to attack you if you do talk trash to them. Your logic here is nonsensical.
Actually there is....you can get unsportsmanlike conduct which is 2 or 5 minutes depending on the severity. Actually you can get booted too.
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You're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion in this particular case makes you come across as some sort of knuckle-dragging neanderthal. Anybody who thinks it is justified to physically assault another person over mere words has a severely twisted set of morals. While there are penalties imposed for attacking another individual there are no penalties for talking trash, so yes Goon you do have the right to say what you want on the ice without consequences. Remember that old saying about sticks and stones. No rational human being with any amount of self control should get all worked up over anything that is said by another individual. If you attack somebody because you didn't like something that they said it shows that you lack composure and it also shows that they have gotten into your head which was what they intended in the first place.
Haha, Dave....do you understand the kinds of things which are being said during the game? What is your stance on boxing, or the MMA for that matter?
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He's been pretty good and I think the reason people don't talk about him more is because he will be solid for a couple games and then give up a bad or soft goal and people will be all over that. I am a Chicago fan and obviously want the Hawks to win the cups and would love to see it be against the Penguins, it would be a great series with so much speed and skill on the ice.
Ditto....hawks are my squad but a matchup again the pens would be priceless. Toews is my favorite players (for obvious reasons) but Crosby is a super close 2nd (because he is by far away the best/complete player on planet earth). It's tough because Bergeron is third (because his all around play is also mind boggling).
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Crosby is a temindous talent but is the biggest puss in the NHL. He was trying to look bad ass mouthing off to Chara knowing Chara was too classy to drop the glove on a pansy like him. I dare him to mouth off to Lucic. He will get his ass sewin to his face, which might actually be an improvement.
Totally ridiculous statement. Look at all the !@#$ players like toews and Crosby have to deal with. I am not saying they shouldn't deal with it I'm just saying I would start bitching too....try to get the refs to notice.
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Are you really this clueless? Crosby skate in front of Rask, that was Bushleague.
There was nothing there...Crosby was just pissed because they were losing. I don't think rask tried to do anything. Either way pens win the series.
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Bergeron is solid....but obviously not a fighter.
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That is why Marchand is a dirty POS.
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I also played, and the minute I could go half shield, I did...and as described, not for any kind of machismo...because I could see better. I have never put the full mask back on. Not in intramurals, not in men's league...I have a couple scars from some sticks, but nothing that is disfiguring (I wasn't going to be a model anyway). I make a very good living with my brain, so there wasn't any cognitive damage.
As for playing with the full shield your whole life...yes, you do team practice and games in a full mask, but we spent way more hours on the outdoor in nothing but a stocking cap. Again, nothing life threatening. I certainly got a bloody nose and a black eye or two.
Here's my analogy- its like having sex with your wife of ten years with a condom even though you're fixed...why???
Agreed.
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Hey, thanks for the 4-1-1! My point is that at one time, even wearing a helmet made you a sissy. Then it was a half-shield. Full cage or shield next? That was my point.
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. What I'm trying to say is that the mandate for a helmet (brain) and potentially visor (eyes) are so much more serious than facial and jaw wounds. -
I don't have to endure the peer pressure that the players are subjected to. As a already told you, it is a macho thing and nobody wants to be labeled as soft. It is the very same mentality that used to apply to visors and (if you go back far enough) helmets. Look, I can lead you to water but I can't force you to drink it. If you refuse to see things for what they are, there is nothing more I can do to help open your eyes to what is so blatantly obvious to anybody with an open mind.
Ditto....however the macho thing is your own creation.
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You just say that because you think everybody with an opinion different than your own is unreasonable.
Haha read your own post responses. You think you know more than the players themselves.
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There are actually people that have said that the cage probably causes concussions and makes the game dirtier because the sticks tend come up when the player wear them, I hate them myself. Former Fighting Sioux Perry Berezan once said that.
I fully agree with that stance, you inherently tend to stay away from someone's face more often out of mutual respect. Another reason I like fighting to be allowed (although I hate most staged fights). You don't have guys like rau constantly beaking everyone out on the ice. You have to respect the game and your opponent. You u talk trash you better be ready to back it up. That is why I like guys like Cory Perry. The game polices itself.
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My arguments make perfect sense if you have good enough comprehension skills. I get that technically an argument can be made for players having slightly better vision without a cage, but then again you could go one better and say their vision would improve even more without a helmet. But playing without a helmet is stupid, as is playing without a cage. The level of play that we currently see in college hockey is incredible, and all of those players have full facial protection, so therefore I have a hard time taking your argument seriously. And once again I'm going to say this because I can't help you notice you have yet to address this point... each and every hockey player that reaches a level where full facial protection becomes optional has already gotten used to the cage or full shield by having worn one for at least 10 years. Once they're that used to it there is no need whatsoever to take it off. At the end of the day you have to realize that it's really just a macho thing more than anything else.
Again, as I have mentioned 10 times now, I fully understand the helmet argument. I get it. I also believe you that some old times may say it distracts them to wear a helmet, however a significant head blow is so much worse then taking a shot to the lower part of your face.
As to your response that I haven't addressed wearing the full cage for a long period of time.....I have ten times or so. The speed of the NHL ( and chl and college) is such the even impairing your vision slightly can cause damaging effects when someone the size and speed of Milan Lucic comes crashing in on you. These players need to react instantly. Even at the college level (which is SO much slower than the NHL) I believe this would cut down on many of the injuries (check out genoways stance). Full cages impair a decent amount of peripheral vision and impair the vision 90% straight down; itechs are better but still affect your vision straight down and tend to fog up in warmer arenas. If they would create something that took care of those issues I would listen. Again, I'm concerned about the puck carrier.
On a side note, I play in a very competitive men's league with former D1 and junior players.....are you saying the reason I play with a half shield is to be macho? Are you kidding me? I wear the half shield because the game is easier and I can see more of the ice not wearing a full mask. I am not telling you my guess or what I think....I am telling you fact.
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I am a hockey fan and get both sides of this issue and can still remember helmet-less Craig MacTavish skating around in the 1980's and 1990's. Remember the uproar of players and mandatory helmets back then? Even just 5-7 years ago, you were considered a sissy if you wore a half-shield. Then Alexander Ovechkin and Sidney Crosby join the league and now plenty of players wear the half-shield.
I played competitive softball for years and remember pitchers experimenting with the hockey-type catcher helmet when they played. They were laughed at and guys intentionally tried to 'spin the dummy'. Go out and watch a competitive tournament nowadays and it's a rarity to NOT see a pitcher wearing the protective helmet.
It's all fun and games until the next Bill Masterson happens courtesy of a 100 MPH slap-shot that hits someone in the head. Just ask Ron Harris, he'll tell you.
FYI not wearing a helmet and not covering your jaw are two completely different topics.
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Haha. Him and Torres are just part of a different generation. They are wired differently than a lot of guy in the league now. The game has gotten too fast to be attempting hits and play the way they do.