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750k is nothing if we’re serious about our division 1 football program, and the new facilities would *suggest* we are.

Dosch is a Lennon/Bubba disciple. This defense is what it is with this group; no outside influence and broken. The entire defensive staff needs to be replaced, which technically includes the head coach since it’s his defense. Bottom line is we are at the end of a 25-year run of the Lennon/Bubba 3-4 defense. There were some highlights during the era, especially the early 2000s, but the last several seasons have been rough. All good things eventually must come to an end. Change is inevitable. I’m all for an open search for someone with no ties - UND football is in need of it: change and outside influence, but most importantly a winning culture with accountability, discipline, and expectations of a high standard.

Coaching change should not only be considered, but absolutely executed ASAP, likely at the conclusion of the regular season. Thank you for posting.

I’m okay with Fruechte if he cleans out the entire defensive staff. With that said, preference would be a D2 proven winner (Annese, Hoffner, Olszewski) or former FCS national champion head coach (Baldwin), and I’m not holding my breath with the precedent set by Chaves and Armacost and Bubba’s recently extended contract.

IMO Jake Landry is no different than Freund. Both former UND QBs who snubbed Bubba for a conference rival. Honestly, with how horrible Bubba is at coaching right now, I can’t blame either one of them.

I’ve been on record here and officially via communication with “leaders” for years stating Bubba can’t get it done if we want UND to eventually be a champ like NDSU and SDSU. I think Danny Freund would be a last resort. The options come down to what we pay and who is interested. The new facilities are getting done upon perfect timing to recruit a new staff. Early list: Jake Landry NDSU OC Danny Freund SDSU OC Grant Olson NDSU DC Isaac Fruechte UND OC Beau Baldwin (QB coach Calgary Stampeders; former EWU head coach under Chaves) Tony Annese (HC at D2 Power Ferris State in Michigan) Todd Hoffner (HC Minnesota-Mankato) Jerry Olszewski (HC Augustana)

I love Danny, but I agree, I think UND could do better if they actually held an open process without any politics…

Our coaching staff is horrific.

Well, UND lost to Indiana State so… And Indiana State lost to South Dakota today 49-0… UND plays South Dakota next weekend.

I believe it. Definitely include Andy in all communication with AD. I just don’t believe the AD is accountable. Unfortunately, I won’t believe UND leadership steps up to the plate until they actually do. Apathy and despair has set in, in full effect.

He won’t listen, or at least it will be condescending, in my experience; include Armacost as well in all emails. andrew.armacost@UND.edu

Most teams are when we play like that …

Went worse than I expected. Reminds me of 2013 UND season. Team has officially quit on their horrible head coach.

True.

My comments and their on effect on recruiting is miniscule compared to the product on the field (or in this case, the lack thereof). Want better recruits? Want there to be a more positive message board? Get better coaches that foster better results. Lashing out at me is nonsense and a waste. Place the effort towards the President and AD instead and push for the change that is needed.

Good offer - top local talent, so absolutely agree with this offer. Hopefully it’s not Bubba coaching him, though, or he won’t ever see what college football success looks like.

So why were these unwarranted head coach extensions put into place? You’re using a problem (buy out cost) to justify a problem (unwarranted extensions-need a different HC); you realize that, right? Two wrongs don’t make a right. If UND can fund new multimillion dollar facilities, they can campaign to acquire buy out funds for an unwarranted extension and an ineffective coaching staff.

I just read a bunch of distraction text here. Sure, those are good things (facilities, Alston funds, etc), but results should be of priority. Results, as in head to head competition results, are the basis here. It shouldn’t be win at all costs, as sustainability is critical, but the University of North Dakota football program has only had sustainability in mediocrity, at this point, and that is where my criticism lies.

I expect a close loss at home. It’ll be an interesting narrative after the game; either will be 1) UND had a close loss to a top five team, therefore, we should be happy, or 2) the reality is that UND has lost three in a row, and changes are obviously needed.

Chaves did this to the program by propagating the current coaching situation. Alumni and “friends” to the program also enabled this. If want improvement from here, then make the changes that are obviously needed.

I would argue we will have to agree to disagree. You’re gullible to lip service and friendliness. Results speak louder than words in my opinion, and I hold that in higher regard when forming opinions on UND and it’s leadership.

Yes, with a different coach. Thanks for agreeing with the underlying concept. Bobby Petrino —> Ryan Beard.

Agreed, but the point is UND needs to be positioning for an invite, not taking the approach that they can let NDSU move forward and “hopefully fail”. That didn’t work at all last time. I agree that it would ideally be a 6-team package deal (UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, MSU, Montana), but as you say, getting a conference to dish out 6 invites will be difficult. My main gripe in all of this is I have no faith in UND leadership right now at present. UND needs to be an actual leader, but right now it’s all just lip service. If NDSU stays the only leader, and moves forward to FBS, then I fully expect them to continue to lead the pack in terms of success and the following/finances that come with that. UND needs to start being more aggressive interdepartmentally (and within their own department, also, to be honest).

So you (and others) didn’t learn anything from circa 2004-2007? UND staying behind while NDSU goes up has not historically been kind to UND…

Those said good players, even if you could get them to agree to come here under current leadership, would then be taught minimal accountability and discipline; and those annual low expectations would then enter into those players’ mindset. End result: more embarrassing losses to North Dakota State and South Dakota State, and ongoing consistent road woes. It’s ridiculous that it’s taken us this long to actually truthfully consider what many, including myself, could see years ago; if you want positive change, then actually change. Move on from Bubba and get a better leader of men. Move on from the coach that is the one constant in all of this, and who doesn’t carry enough respect from his players to ever be a champion.