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This NDSU team is too damn good. Maybe best one yet. It is so sickening

Agreed

Im sure he was, but I clarified just in case ...

Absolutely gorgeous proposed facility. HPC phase II would be a true game changer in recruiting.

Likely just an entertainment area for perks within the locker room; not meant for team film study. Film room for study would be apart of meeting rooms, which UND also is supposed to have included with HPC phase II along with locker room and coaches offices.

It wasn’t supposed to be a hockey vs football fight, but some turned it into one by replying to my post (which stated UND football should be compared to NDSU football, obviously enough). This is a FCS football (no mention of hockey) thread. If for some reason you can’t find my first post, here it is: Who cares about Hakstol, Berry, NCAA hockey, hockey-obsessed UND-ignorant Las Vegas-based donors, etc. in the context of this discussion?? UND hockey has no place in this current discussion. FCS Football and NCAA hockey are really becoming (and I guess always have been) apples to oranges comparisons. We all know which is more popular (hint: which sport is more popular). Although I love UND dearly, I hate the comparisons between FCS Football and NCAA hockey. For one, they always end with UND’s fans looking beyond stupid. It is what it is. You’ll only hear “JV football” and “big boy real DI like UND hockey” come from the mouths of jealous, ignorant UND hockey fans. No one else. Face it folks, NDSU’s FCS football success has earned them more popularity than UND men’s ice hockey ever could. Going to Vegas or NYC once every few seasons for a bought destination game (not earned) doesn’t justify that either. I just hope UND’s football program can start reaching the postseason for a start ... Simplification from next post: Bottomline: unless you can prove how comparing an NCAA hockey program to an FCS football program makes more sense than comparing two FCS football programs head-to-head, keep UND hockey out of this football discussion. You can go to the hockey thread if you wish to expand. 

That was not my initial post nor my initial interest. You have simply picked a subsequent reply that fits your narrative. As to not confuse those who have trouble reading all the posts before commenting, here are the first two paragraphs I posted which explain my stance: Who cares about Hakstol, Berry, NCAA hockey, hockey-obsessed UND-ignorant Las Vegas-based donors, etc. in the context of this discussion?? UND hockey has no place in this current discussion. FCS Football and NCAA hockey are really becoming (and I guess always have been) apples to oranges comparisons. As such, I’m not touching NCAA hockey when discussing FCS football. Too much bias here for that. I’m only interested in quantitive data as to avoid the hockey bias that doesn’t line up with reality.

I’m not interested in comparing NCAA hockey to FCS football in the context of this thread, as I clearly stated in my previous posts. It always ends in UND looking foolish. If you really want to, feel free to message me the actual average attendance of the NCAA hockey semi-finals. These are neutral site games whereas FCS playoffs are not (thus not entirely comparable). What is the average attendance of the NCAA hockey championship game versus FCS football championship game (as both are neutral site games) along with viewership numbers?

This is in terms of attendance and ticket availability/price, not level of play. Level of play is not easily comparable, if at all possible.

My point is NDSU playoff games, such as the one being played tonight, are not half empty.

There is no reason to compare NCAA hockey to FCS football. Compare NCAA hockey programs to each other or FCS football programs (like UND and NDSU) to each other. That’s simply it. No one can detail how it makes sense to do otherwise. As I stated before: I hate the comparisons between FCS Football and NCAA hockey. For one, they always end with UND’s fans looking beyond stupid. It is what it is. You’ll only hear “JV football” and “big boy real DI like UND hockey” come from the mouths of jealous, ignorant UND hockey fans.

Can you provide information about the ticket prices and availability?

From a price standpoint per ticket (less games for football), it’s NDSU football. UND hockey has more games though and greater variability given the REA (general admission vs suites vs bar seats, etc.). It’s not straightforward at all. Discuss, but remember this thread is FCS football based. As for NDSU football vs Rose Bowl, if only UND hockey could be so lucky to be competitively compared to upper level competition (NHL games?). Hell, the NCAA hockey regionals are typically half empty.

Although it is tempting given your eloquent and polite request, ... No.

Whether I “hate” or “love” UND hockey is irrelevant to this FCS football discussion. You are ignoring all the detailed differences if you think success is the only component that justifies comparability. Completely different sport is the biggest issue. Also, national championships is just another way to say success. And soccer is not the most popular NCAA sport. Not even close. That would be football then basketball. I too can’t wait for UND to play NDSU every season in football. Been a long time coming. And I get how at first (instinctually as you put it) it seems comparing UND hockey to NDSU football is reasonable, but it isn’t when you can compare UND football to NDSU football instead.

No and No, but you still may be ignorant. Facts: UND and NDSU football not only are both FCS football programs but they are soon to be in the same conference. Thus, of course they are comparable. You haven’t detailed a single reason why UND football can’t be compared to NDSU football. Furthermore, you haven’t detailed why UND hockey is more comparable to NDSU football other than they are the most successful programs for their respective institutions. That being the only similar metric does not create translatability. They are different sports; of which, the NCAA classification system is completely different for both. Bottomline: unless you can prove how comparing an NCAA hockey program to an FCS football program makes more sense than comparing two FCS football programs head-to-head, keep UND hockey out of this football discussion. You can go to the hockey thread if you wish to expand.

There’s no question that UND coaching salaries - along with HPC phase II - remain the biggest issues facing UND football. The salaries (if you then correlate the caliber of coaches with that) are just not where they need to be relative to our expectations on here. The current state of the program is fine for a perennial 6-5 team though. A lot riding on the cost-saving promotion of Freund to OC. I obviously hope it works out big time and he turns out to be a great OC.

Who cares about Hakstol, Berry, NCAA hockey, hockey-obsessed UND-ignorant Las Vegas-based donors, etc. in the context of this discussion?? UND hockey has no place in this current discussion. FCS Football and NCAA hockey are really becoming (and I guess always have been) apples to oranges comparisons. We all know which is more popular (hint: which sport is more popular). Although I love UND dearly, I hate the comparisons between FCS Football and NCAA hockey. For one, they always end with UND’s fans looking beyond stupid. It is what it is. You’ll only hear “JV football” and “big boy real DI like UND hockey” come from the mouths of jealous, ignorant UND hockey fans. No one else. Face it folks, NDSU’s FCS football success has earned them more popularity than UND men’s ice hockey ever could. Going to Vegas or NYC once every few seasons for a bought destination game (not earned) doesn’t justify that either. I just hope UND’s football program can start reaching the postseason for a start ... And who is Boyle? You mean Craig Bohl? I doubt there will be an argument this time around. I’m just hoping South Dakota State pulls the upset, although that too is doubtful.

I agree. The Herald shouldn't touch this story until the positions are officially filled. The media focus should be on who Bubba and Freund actually choose to hire, not merely those considered (i.e., the entire applicant pool).

Yeah, he wasn’t anything special at NDSU.

You bring up good points. Mertens wasn’t very good his senior season, though, in 2009. In fact, NDSU only went 3-8 that season. Everything fell into place when QB Jensen started playing for NDSU during the 2010 season. Their foundation was built that 2010 season. They’ve been rolling ever since. Some of the Twin Cities kids that definitely should’ve been at the University of Minnesota and not NDSU (blame Brewster) included CB Marcus Williams, OL Billy Turner, RB John Crockett, WR Zach Vraa (unbelievably Minnesota’s Mr. Football in 2009 and Brewster passed), and LB Grant Olson. A lot of talent in that intial group. John Crockett was a bit different of a situation: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thedickinsonpress.com/sports/1817997-bison-rb-john-crockett-ready-prove-himself-after-2-years-academic-setbacks%3famp

This is all correct. Spot on. NDSU’s 2009 and 2010 recruiting classes (many out of Twin Cities) really got the ball rolling for NDSU. Damn

Nothing to do with Nickel Trophy, but doubtful. That being said, I certainly will be cheering on South Dakota State.

Fairly good idea. Not sure much better is out there.