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8 hours ago, iramurphy said:
You obviously don’t know the person you are addressing or you probably wouldn’t use the word ignorance. Leave stupid judgements like that out of your posts and you have valid points.
How about you take the lead and don’t follow up stupid comments - in this case by @Mama Sue - with your own stupid judgement comment. You’ve mastered pulling wool over eyes (with respect to comments on this site), which is not good, by the way.
“Maybe we could just hire UND FB FAN full time to be head coach since he has all the answers.”
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20 minutes ago, shep said:
Kilty to KSU.
Klieman got him.
Interesting.
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3 hours ago, ND-fan said:
I have questions for UND-FB-Fan i would like to know if were born and raised in North Dakota or Norther Minnesota because you seem to have aversity to power structure and how the politics happen at the UND. I am saying you're not wrong on some of your ideas but it's the attitude that your 100% correct and you seem to think your criteria for job is W and L. I think community, School, and Alumni do care about are W and L, but they also care about student athletes' academics and type of individuals that represent them on the field. The references to facilities that have been built are reflection of backers of UND football that believe in the program and have supported this coach otherwise money would not have been here to build these facilities. I still think a lot dissatisfaction is we have had not experienced the glory that the university to South has experienced in last 15 years and we have not caught up to them and surpassed them.
The history of between the Two universities goes way back and each of them have had their dominance and other behind other. The late 70's and 80's UND was dominant in hockey and Fargo was trying to catch up build hockey program until they finally drop whole idea and put money forth into their football program. There rewards didn't happen until we see them build into division I program and become the dominant program they are today. We have been trying to catch them ever since we went division I but problem has is they have established name recognition and parlayed into having big recruiting advantage over most of area teams. The exception now SDSU has made inroads on this front, and we are starting to win a few recruiting battles but very few. This is where i come from you have seen some of Missouri valley teams hyer this flashy coach they bubble up for year then they fall back to bottom league trying to rebuild their program and nobody is coming to games and supporters are know where to be found. Example of this is Missouri State. Und has had one period of this in my lifetime and nearly took 20 years to get back to where they were dominant program. We were one coach of this happening before Bubba came in had support of long term to get program heading in right direction.
This is why people in charge may seem slow to younger fans that want immediate gratification because you have no experience or history of what it takes schools like UND to build program and stay in the upper tier of that sport. The majority of schools in FCS don't have resources or money if things blow up to just turn around do it again because what usually people resources disappear with big time failure. The University to South is exception and they want even to move higher in Football and they may very well achieve that but i have my doubts on that because of where we located.
You provide an historical context, but you also have revealed the critical bias that haunts University of North Dakota athletics. It’s not just about instant gratification; that is an oversimplification and a distraction from the real issues. It is perhaps however about ageism and historical decision-making models that have failed to undergo contemporary adjustment. There’s no reason we should have to wait decades for UND football to consistently complete with NDSU football, regardless of age. It is okay to acknowledge Bubba Schweigert has done appreciable work up to this point, but also that change is the best approach now for UND football moving forward.
Fargo U pushes for higher expectations with football, sure, and they want to be bigger than they are, but I think that is okay if done with fiscal responsibility. There have been concerns with this, though, of course. It’s therefore important to be cautious, as you mention. UND football could be in a position where they could both bolster the football program while also being responsible fiscally and properly emphasize academics as the flagship. These positions are not all mutually exclusive. But, several folks who apparently have the “experience or history of what it takes schools like UND to build program and stay in the upper tier of that sport” tend to pump the brakes rather than shoot for the stars and take the next step.
In summary, as a group of supporters, it is okay to care about W’s and L’s and also simultaneously feature academics. In fact, it’s mutually beneficial.
I will say, I am very pleased and proud of the facility upgrades going on for UND athletics, namely football. This is exciting and shows commitment. But the people in charge within these future buildings is a very important topic.
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6 hours ago, Mama Sue said:
Maybe we could just hire UND FB FAN full time to be head coach since he has all the answers.
My point: life is not that simple and hindsight is 20/20.
People in the right positions need to make decisions….not necessarily fans.
Life is not simple, hindsight is 20/20, and people need to make the right decisions … okay.
I mean, I agree with all of those statements in general, but it doesn’t offset any of the previous comments and concerns. I would say that you just skipped over the highlighted concern of whether or not the right people are in fact in the right position.
Lastly, I don’t appreciate your first statement, but I understand there’s a combination of frustration and ignorance at play.
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57 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
But the coaches are paid at a median level and the results, while disappointing for everyone's expectations, definitely exceed that.
Could argue the current staff is getting exactly what they deserve/have earned.
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1 hour ago, iramurphy said:
You are correct.
Unless we want to keep bitching about not hiring a different coach 10 yrs ago then it’s ok to kick that dead horse forever (and forever evermore). That would be ok.
Learning from the past is different than to relish in the past. So, it would be ok to acknowledge that, and not distract.
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Just now, geaux_sioux said:
If they’re frustrated they should stop recruiting DEs who are the size of LBs. That portal offer to the gopher is a joke if they’re offering as a DE. 6’2” 230 lbs ain’t gonna get it done.
They’re in over their head.
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12 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
So directly recruiting against 3 of the top 5 teams in the nation, in an area that is "in the middle on nowhereville with populations of next to nothing", somehow makes it easier?
When you pitch “in the middle on nowhereville with populations of next to nothing” then you definitely shouldn’t expect to be able to recruit worth a damn … you get what you make out of it. Whatever staff UND football has, they need to be able to emphasize the strengths and bolster recruiting and not fester on the issues/challenges.
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2 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
So nothing in the realistic realm because the head coach isn't getting 2 years of his contract bought out. Which is exactly what my point was.
If you can’t buy out a mediocre coach’s contract then you probably shouldn’t issue out those contracts after losing seasons …
but oh well, this point has been beaten to death. Hopefully Chaves has learned from this. UND athletics as a whole needs to learn and evolve from this, or else be left behind… again.
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4 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
It's all coach-speak either way but I think it is also pretty fair to assume you would have also jumped all over a "business as usual" type of response. What actual type of (realistic) reaction/commentary would have passed muster?
No response or commentary is acceptable at this point other than acknowledging change is the only way forward. Silence sometimes can speak the loudest, however. Of course, we’re limited by the rate of change based on unjustified extensions and mediocre expectations.
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On 12/10/2023 at 6:38 AM, HoopsFan03 said:
Don’t even worry. He’s bringing more fire this next season!!
What a laughable thought, and it is particularly unfortunate we have UND “supporters” who post that malarkey and actually believe it. Prolonged mediocrity is a mindset illness run rampant here with this fan base / group of supporters.
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8 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
I'd be curious on some actual examples of this. Spoke to a few of them in the last week and got a different vibe. They are just as or more frustrated than any fan (outside of a few whose expectations that I'm not even sure NDSU meets).
This is an individual-by-individual consideration; not simply a generalized issue, and I’ll admit I certainly can’t account for each member of the staff. So I need to be careful with general statements, but the group needs to work together well for major accomplishment, and there certainly hasn’t been major accomplishment.
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3 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:
Conklin was the best player on the field in the AAA championship game vs Shanley......and it wasn't close.
#wedontneedhim
It’s ridiculous, if true, but I think it is based on my interactions. This staff is burnt out. They aren’t even recognizing the instate players anymore.
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3 hours ago, Goose15 said:
. Some on here think our offense has lost it's shine, but to me it is more a product of Bubba not being able to take this team any further and our defense not improving that takes the shine off our program. Danny unlike Bubba has shown improvement in his time!
Danny Freund still has some potential, but no guarantees. The jury is out on Bubba; he needs to step aside. He’s not a championship caliber coach.
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1 hour ago, nodak651 said:
That would be because we didn't run the ball enough.
This is an overly simplistic take, but if the solution to the problem was this simple, whose fault would it be?
A: Coaches.
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1 hour ago, nodak651 said:
UND FB coaches have been overperforming, based on their pay, which is pretty dang close the the FCS median...
You pay for what you’re gonna get. Are the current UND coaches actually underpaid? Quite the opposite in my opinion. The staff is basically made up of former players that have minimal to no outside experience. Inbred minimalists… the UND football country club.
The salary pool should definitely rise, though, when/if the new staff is hired.
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20 hours ago, gfhockey said:
Gophers lost their d cordinator today
a guybcan dream
It’s good to dream, otherwise the alternative is extending an out-of-touch coach after he goes 5-6.
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On 12/10/2023 at 10:10 AM, Midwestern Hawk said:
UND facilities and University are heads and tails above most FCS programs. Anytime we are out of the top 25 in FCS football, it is a total coaching failure.
I agree. UND’s facility upgrades and ongoing construction only further exemplifies how incompetent the current coaching staff is at UND. The spotlight shines brighter on Bubba Schweigert's shortcomings, and the desperate need for a new era of coaching for UND football.
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On 12/10/2023 at 9:36 AM, CMSioux said:
IMO he is saying trade for UND's facilities, fans, legacy, and upward projectory - we won numerous NCC championships, the Great West and Big Sky - a majority of schools have never won a conference championship. SDSU NEVER won the NCC.
Living in the past is worth a minimum amount, in my opinion. Successful programs keep their eyes forward, and don’t get caught up in the rear-view mirror.
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1 hour ago, Bison06 said:
I’ve been in plenty of pregame speeches and almost none of them were Herb Brooks or Vince Lombardi style fire and brimstone. If you play division I football and need to be motivated by a pregame speech then you’re doing it wrong. The magic is in the weekly preparation.
No one is arguing this point.
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1 minute ago, Shawn-O said:
And yet I’ll be here next August for all of it. What a weird little addiction, and I think I speak for a lot of us.
Unconditional support can be a wierd little concept, but it may become conditional here very soon for many.
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2 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said:
I wish we looked like Furman on both sides. We are still a long ways from top tier….
After a decade of the current plan, it’s time to scrap that plan. Ok to declare it a failure. On to something different … in 2025 at the soonest. 2024 will be lame duck year.
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Don’t know what’s more embarrassing … how UND played during the second half of the season after beating NDSU or how the FCS let’s Fargo/ag college do this to the field of competition year after year after year …
Absolute atrocity.
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6 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:
Watching SDSU getting pressure and a sack with just 4 on 3rd and long today.....just shows how bad we were at getting to the QB. We couldn't get there with 5....or sometimes 6.
It’s easily the biggest issue with UND football right now … but there are others.
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Disagree. As @Irish stated, UND football is what their record is, and then some. If you follow college athletics, specifically college football, and perhaps even have a background within it, you can adequately recognize and acknowledge some of deficiencies within the program. This is why my ignorant comment was made; there are many on this board that are frustrated but yet have no clue how to interpret what is going on. With that said, it’s not “across the board” completely. Some can see the issues and are capable of coming up with viable solutions, they just aren’t the ones with the titles/positions to actuate said solutions.