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Maybe some (like customers, fans are supremely discontent), but things aren’t nearly as black and white as everyone on the boards seems to recall or overly-generalize. I never wanted to fire Hak, even if it was head scratching how things always fell apart at the F4. But I’d definitely trade a Berry for a Hak today, even if it meant maybe they don’t win the NC in 16’. Very hard to imagine the program wouldn’t have had greater year-to-year success, and be in a better position today. BUT it ain’t happening, so…we get to watch the team struggle to get back to where they were until some day when Berry hopefully figures it out. OR (and this is me, and many others), gradually lose interest, invest less time and financial support, and relegate ourselves to hoping to be surprised with some success instead of expecting it. A big bummer when the scales tip toward disappointment instead of joy, but thankfully there are tons of other sources of entertainment, especially for those of us outside of GFK. It wouldn’t hurt for us all to keep in mind though that everyone here cares (or they wouldn’t be on a fan forum), supports UND in their own way, and wants the team to succeed even if we have different opinions about what that entails.

Love it. Thx for collecting some of the greatest hits, it’s fun to see some posters that haven’t been around for years. At least we’re consistent! I laughed out loud at seeing stoney trying to calm down the overreactions on the first page I viewed, 10 years ago. Impressive resilience keeping up the good fight, I know it can’t be easy.

+1, I will miss the Friday game to be at MLS, and can’t justify the $25 minimum buy-in for Sat game only on the CCHA tv package (likely for a bad stream/production besides), but would be fine paying the Tier1 Midco plan for $10. Guessing stuck paying for the $25 package though?

This is the rub of it, right? And always fun to debate on things none of us are qualified to truly judge. (Sorry, I know we were trying to return to regularly scheduled programming).., I’d like to think if Berry was asked about each season since his first what went wrong, he’d give you a list of big and small things every year that he would’ve changed. Just part of the process for all coaches (or any professional for that matter). He’s competing against a lot of really good coaches who all want it just as bad, after all. It’s okay if he’s not the best. You take that list and shave off 10 or 20% of those things, and there’s a real chance that some of those seasons end differently- they make the playoffs, they make it to the FF, etc. Maybe Carle simply connects on that extra 10-20% of misses (recruiting, discipline, lines/in-game, drills and focus, mental aspects, etc.). I always felt Hakstol was an amazing GM, managing the team. And Berry was possibly the better game time coach and connected with the players. We saw a loaded Hakstol team that Berry led to victory…maybe neither would have done it on their own. I believe Berry’s a really good coach - likely top 5-10 in college hockey. I’m certainly rooting for his success. But I also believe the sample size is big enough now to know that Berry’s team is on the wrong side of needing bounces in the tourney - not 50/50 puck luck, but they just aren’t performing well enough to NOT NEED a bounce or two to go their way in order to win against good teams. Other than the shenanigans against BU, they certainly aren’t outplaying other teams but losing off of bad luck lately. If you listen to DU players, they 100% BELIEVE they’re going to win when it counts. UND players seem to be hoping lately not to lose in the postseason, and lose that belief in winning when things get hard (small slumps or full-on collapses that cost them the win). Compare to Sandelin’s NC teams or Carle’s last year - they were nearly flawless in their execution, even when playing more talented teams. Belief and mental resilience seems to be as good a driver as any I can come up with for the difference. This is an extreme example as Carle (results wise) is in a league of his own right now, like York was. But hopefully Berry’s taking notes and the optimists on the board get some vindication in the post-season soon. Berry HAS won (a share of, at least) the Spencer Penrose and dominated the regular season, so I’d say we’re debating first world problems…and I trust that he wants it far more than any of us and is giving his best.

Genuinely appreciate all your efforts to temper the ledgies who are prone to over-reacting on here…but are you really planting a flag that Carle is not a better coach than Berry, he’s just been luckier (year after year)? Maybe I’m misunderstanding… I think we can all agree luck is involved and you likely can’t win it all without a bounce or two…and Carle got more than his share last year. But we have a decade worth of evidence that something isn’t working for Berry when it matters most, and I SERIOUSLY hope he isn’t sitting around complaining that it’s just been year after year of bad luck. Even he seemed to acknowledges the need for changes to get a different result. What great coaches (vs. good) do, in the thousands of choices they make, we’ll never fully understand. But some elite coaches are consistently getting the results while some aren’t. Ultimately, Berry knows he’s judged by the final game of the year..I think it’s fair for posters here to also acknowledge that.

If my counting abilities are still accurate, I’d like to shrewdly deduce that we have 13 drafted skaters in tonight vs. their 9. Victory is assured! Also, in interesting news…every Friar forward line is rolling with a Fr, So, and Gr. Maybe that’s their answer to the Getter-Setter-Shooter approach.

Agreed on Emery’s size (at 6’3”), but hard for most of us to even comprehend how freakishly lean he is. Most competitive bodybuilders at show weight won’t ever achieve the 3.64% bf he registered at the combine. Even pushing him up to an average 12-15% bf of a solid college athlete, he’d be pushing close to 200# and we wouldn’t think anything of it. Adding 10# + of muscle (and even 10#) of fat, and he’ll be an absolute unit. Combined with his elite athleticism, it’ll be fun to see what he can do.

I think the point is that there could be a lot of reasons Brock experienced this. It sucks. Bad. Acting like it’s a statement of fact and tying it a political or anti-vax agenda isn’t helpful. Nor is it factual. Maybe check out some published studies on the now massively researched risk profile before making comments like this (hint, your risk of clots is exponentially higher from non-vaxed Covid infection than from the vaccine) or worse, making statements that Brock will regret getting the vaccine and cost him his career. The chances that a clot could occur from drugs (legal or not) or steroid usage (whether anabolic or cortico- again, legal or not) is SIGNIFICANTLY statistically higher than risk from the vax which is almost nonexistent. But you don’t see anyone accusing him of drug or steroid use just because he’s an elite athlete. Why? Because it would be incredibly irresponsible to do so and he’s a great dude that deserves better. Suggest we spend our energy putting goodness into the world for his recovery.

Boeser with the 2-1 GWG for Vancouver who takes a 2-1 series lead. Canucks outshot badly 12 to >30. JT Miller got the first goal.

I get the perspective, and likely agree more than I disagree. All things equal, I think a change is necessary to start the upswing and now’s the time. Curious what you’re suggesting exactly? I personally believe it’s also clear that all those programs I mentioned are in much better shape than they were before making the coaching change, but we can split hairs on whether being a NC runner-up the last two years (BC and UMN) and multiple FF’s (Mich) is success or your point implying it’s not…when comparing to UNDs ongoing struggles. Regardless, appreciate the perspective and attempt to calm the overreactions and hope this debate is old history come this time next year.

Thank you for pulling together the history lesson. Certainly interesting and helpful to add some historical perspective when it’s easy to just dwell on the recent past. The only thing I worry about is the (perceived) mentality from some that past success/cycles indicate future success. There are just as many historical programs that fade into history and don’t bounce back. Simply waiting for the cycle to work its way out or expecting we’ll just stay at the top because we always have been is a recipe for fading out of relevance. Holding for Sears and Blockbuster on line 1. Programs generally have a catalyst that helps lead the cyclical upswing - new coach being one often talked about here (not saying I agree or it’s the only one). It obviously wasn’t easy to part with York, Lucia, Berenson, etc. but we’ve seen how that’s reinvigorated those programs. Every other program is fighting for every possible advantage, if UND doesn’t fight just as hard, possibly make some tough decisions, and be willing to deeply reflect on what needs to change in the postseason, what’s happened before may not matter…

I won’t keep belaboring my disbelief with the “some teams just have all the luck” crowd (and we’d be great / competing for championships if only we weren’t so damn unlucky every single year). What I saw? DU was composed and confident throughout. Psychologically they were rock solid even under intense pressure. Their goalie and team D bought in and made the right decisions in nearly every play, with no major breakdowns. They had a game plan and executed it. They showed up repeatedly in OT through the FF and when the game was on the line, even against greater talent. They got some luck, but played well enough to capitalize on it and/or overcome the bad bounces. They quoted you go to DU to win championships and I believed they believed. Felt the same under Sandelin for a while. This seems to be the contrast to UND teams lately..it feels like they don’t believe, and need things to go their way or else they start to break (not bend). I know many of us fans don’t believe right now. Players under Hakstol talked about believing in the curse of getting over the FF hump, so you know players pay attention. Some coaches get their team to believe and others don’t. I honestly wonder at this point if Berry and the staff believes they will win or if they’re trying to play not to lose? Just speculation and I’m sure it’s a lot more complicated than that, but whatever a “winning culture” is.. Anyway, kudos to DU and congrats on bringing home another title to the NCHC. May you lose all your top players and have a down year in 2024.

Wellness check time for Bucci. Sounded like someone kicked his puppy the longer it went and his superstars didn’t score..

Respectfully disagree (in part), but it’s cool that we have both sides of the debate here. If we were to talk to the other teams fans or coaches in all those same games, or take off our green-tinted glasses, they’d point out their own bad luck/bounces and be just as right (several waived off goals, their own key injuries, things that came to light after the season ended, TWO empty netters to tie it, UND having home ice and/or crowd advantage, talent, facilities, resources, all the bad calls or breaks other end that we didn’t notice because that’s how sports go, etc.). Cherry picking the things that weren’t perfect for UND and connecting that to defend the ongoing string of losses can mostly be chalked up to we were unlucky a lot continues to imply these things are just happening to one team. They happen on both sides, but are now a TREND for UND, not a bad luck bounce. I can almost guarantee Berry and the staff aren’t sitting around moaning about 8 years of bad bounces that always go against them (and if they are, count me in the fire Berry crowd). Michigan came out FLAT. UND had an incredible opportunity to capitalize for a big chunk of that game, against a team that even when they’re not flat, aren’t a world-beater by any stretch. And in my book, had the easiest 1 seed to go through this year, despite blowing the end of the season and a home crowd and #1 seed that were almost guarantees at one point. But they managed again to find a way to lose, instead of win. UMD, Notre Dame, etc. as have been pointed out…we had more than our share of breaks. BU? Well, that one just flat out sucked and UND was as close to deserving a win in a game they lost there as I’ve seen. Would have been the best game/crowd atmosphere I’d ever been to if a bounce went the other way, and I’m onboard with that just being an unlucky one. BU would argue playing in Fargo in front of a packed and RABID UND fan base when they were the higher seed was pretty unlucky I bet, and no doubt influenced their play. I’m not sure what the answer is here, but do believe the coaching staff has to figure something out vs “have better luck next year”. And I’m also pretty sure (and hope) they would say the same thing.

It’s always going to be “something”, right? Every NCAA tourney on this streak of losing can be picked apart and excuses made for why UND just had “bad luck”. Yes, some luck’s required at times to win it all…and most of these teams have been competitive, making for some close games at least. But despite their seeding, makeup, etc. for nearly a decade they’ve all been in the position that they needed bounces to go their way and couldn’t overcome any that went against them. You’re not going to win many postseason games (and certainly not four in a row) when every game is dependent on things going your way vs. controlling. And we can’t make the same “bad luck” excuse year after year; turns out all the other teams winning or losing all play the same game and face the same bounces. You need to dominate a few games, dig deep in others (winners find a way to win), AND likely get a little puck luck at the right time. Some teams right now have it..and UND clearly doesn’t. This isn’t doom and gloom from me, we’ll all be hoping they figure it out next year. It’s just hard to hear the bad luck excuses year after year as if every other team just gets lucky in their wins. Most on here would be making fun of any of our rival fan bases making excuses every year about being the better team but losing because of luck. I’d like to think we’re better than making those same excuses. UND hasn’t been good enough to win without luck, for whatever reason…and winning the luck-battle isn’t a great strategy. Hopefully they figure it out soon.

All goalies will give up a few…felt his bad game was just at the worst time. He won the Richter and was UND’s all-time leader in career goals against and save percentage after all…I guess in my book that makes him pretty good.

While I can enjoy this as much as anyone here…really sucks we’re relegated to celebrating other teams losing, especially Gofers only winning one game in the tourney after back to back frozen fours and a championship appearance - while we’ve continued the losing streak or not even making it. I don’t think I’ll be getting in their face anytime soon about Motzko not getting it done, at least until Brad can prove he can win any games again in March or April.

My bad, I was thinking of McIntyre who was great all season…until those softies to BU.

I get it. And don’t disagree that the extremes of the argument on both sides get ridiculous and tiring. My guess is you feel the need to over-index on defending the team to balance out all the negative crap; I appreciate that and am sure it gets old for you too. Last point on the concocted blame (bubs magic whisperings). I can tell when my car, appliance, etc isn’t performing when I need it to. I may not know why, but that shouldn’t be required of me as a consumer. It’s up to the engineer to figure out and address if they want my business. Fans are just trying to rationalize why the postseason result is SO consistently not matching the expectation. To argue the opposite side and defend as if a coach has no say in this ( parity, prep/strategy, game/psychological readiness, culture, etc) implies that the best coaches out there really don’t do anything differently than the good. I don’t agree; even if I don’t have access and/or expertise to tell you the difference.

Both? It’s on Berry to ultimately build and coach a squad to go out and win; something that we haven’t seen much at all of, in the playoffs for nearly a decade. Passionate fan loyalty and dedication is earned. And while it’s great to have thousands of fans supporting you wherever you go, giving you and the athletes travel destination opp’s and taking away much of their home advantage even when you're on the road, fans don’t OWE you that. Keeping in mind many fans have spent thousands of dollars lately to support the team only to routinely see them lose (destinations, NCHC and NCAA tourney), often in very lackluster fashion and when they were the better team on paper…you can’t really fault them for some pessimism or frustration in my book. I also don’t think the teams owes fans wins, or that it’s realistic to not lose. But you can’t have it both ways. Analytically, I’d love to see UND’s record in the post-season vs expectation (KRACH or similar), under Berry. I could be wrong, but I expect it would show drastic underperformance vs expectation, which is what many fans struggle to understand. Most people I’ve talked to just expect UND to lose today, because that’s what keeps happening. I’m still holding out hope and like the bracket overall, but if I’m honest and had to bet my house one way or the other..I’d have to take the underdog in this one. Hopefully Berry and the boys can prove the naysayers wrong and start winning the games that matter. I’ll be cheering (and possibly some griping) for the team for as many games as they have this year and beyond, regardless.

Thank you for taking the time to compile these updates; really appreciate it!

Normally I’m focused on UND, but I think this week will be a really interesting tell for Mankato’s season. I expected it to be a dumpster fire after the offseason exodus, but sweeping St. Cloud and being swept by a likely pretty good UMass team isn’t too bad of a start. Of course, St. Cloud is looking so far like they may be pretty bad, definitely the outlier dragging down the NCHC’s OOC record. Have to think it would be pretty huge for the Purple Cows confidence to have a good showing. I’m actually rooting for Mankato to find success this year after how Hastings handled things…just not this weekend. Sweep!

Not at all. I (and everyone here) fully acknowledge YOU choose not to consider it a rivalry. And some others do too. Good on you, that’s your choice. The difference is you continue telling everyone else that it’s not a rivalry or they’re wrong to consider it a rivalry. In spite of the team, most of the fan base, and objective measures like ticket demand disagreeing.

Two top teams with a ton of speed, I thought UND managed to stay very disciplined and surprisingly structured (given all the roster turnover). Only taking two penalties, and one of those being a clear even-up, is a huge improvement over the chasing, reaching, and panic penalties that plagued the team last year. Talk about a fun start to the season. I can’t fully argue that there’s some gamesmanship going on with Blake making sure the refs see he’s being tripped or hooked. They were all good calls in my eyes, but suspect he could’ve skated through one or two..but while I thought the refs missed a few overall, I appreciated them letting the guys play on both sides…each team had some collisions with goalies, etc but they kept the game under control. Also have to say I wasn’t sure what to make out of the coaching decisions on roster last year and heading into this. Great to see the team is just getting to work and aren’t nearly as worried as I was!

First thought was man, I miss Pinto…we were lucky to have him for a couple years and great to see him still repping UND…get that guy the contract he deserves! Followed quickly by…don’t let siouxkid see this or he’ll be calling Shane up to make sure to correct him that it’s not a rivalry. (Tongue in cheek my man, but maybe try to limit the telling everyone else whether they should consider it a rivalry or not). We all miss what it once was, but most still consider it a big one.