redwing77

Here's an interesting thought: Many people view being different as being able to avoid conformity and, hence, retain uniqueness and individuality. However, with this attitude comes solitude and a percieved sense of oppresion and injustice. These people see themselves as outsiders and unequal to the remainder who aren't in this "group." This is one of the reasons why many minorities are so willing to cry racism when things don't go their way or that they are offended and believe that those that they feel offended them should cater to the whim which they determine would "correct" the offense. My argument is that the word "conformity" has a negative stigma because of the attached assumptions that go along with it that states that things will have to change, "the old ways" will have to be abandoned, they will stop being listened to, and they will not be allowed to think for themselves (Fahrenheit 451 for example). Change is NEVER recieved well by an entire group because some people can't handle it. So people embrace assumptions like the forced abandonment of tradition and past ideals (I'm talking about contempary times, not pre-civil rights movement) and they dig in their heels. When external entities or groups come in and try to assist them to make the changes, regardless of the size of such a change, they resist. And that leads to lashing out at symbolisms and imagery because they cannot handle being "just another American" or "just like everybody else." Another aspect behind this whole thing is, at the same time, a positve aspect of Native American life. Native Americans, as a culture, have a strong and deep-seated respect for their elders. This is, as I said, a good thing. Something many Americans could learn about and use more. At the same time however, these elders are holding the Native American people back by clinging to past injustices and forcing those memories from the past into the forefront of the Native American younger generations (even if those younger generations are only on a relative scale, meaning a younger generation could still be above 30 years of age). This is a sad and unfortunate side affect of a very good societal belief structure. Thoughts?

Brand is full of himself. Bloated to the gills with his power. Him and his crony don't realize that in order to change the whole policy if they lose the case. Well, that would involve changing the bylaws. That requires a member school vote and it would be impossible to achieve without making it a blanket statement. And, as already stated, there is no way the NC$$ will go against FSU, CMU, and Utah. The bylaw wouldn't pass. Brand would dig himself a hole... unless the NCAA presidents all have gone the way of the idiot.

6-3 Sioux. Stupid Spa name's 3 stars: 3rd Star: Bina 2nd Star: Toews 1st Star: Oshie

I think Bina would be the UND nominee.

Thanks. TH also went over it too.

Could someone break down the second BSU goal (the one that the BSU player crashed the net). Brad's blog talks about how it was reviewed and the original call reversed. This would be the second goal that UND allowed where an opposing player crashed into the goaltender and the puck ended up in the net. Are there rules to protect the goaltender and that same team from being scored on by the opposition simply pushing the goaltender (and the puck) across the line before the whistle blows?

Is it too late to predict tonight's game? I think UND will squeak by with a 3-2 victory! Lamoreaux will be huge!

Both yours and dagies' perceptions are amusing. What's even more amusing is, leading up to the draft, at the draft, and following the draft everyone called Toews an all around player that was very solid in his game. Suddenly he lost that? Sure Toews hasn't scored at the pace he did last season, but uh... since when was he lacking proficiency enough in the other areas to warrant losing that distinction?

Uh oh, NDH. I think he's gel'n!

Yup. Margin of victory means something at the WJC, but means nothing save bragging rights in the WCHA. I'll take the W. Right now, we need a W more than we need a 10 goal win margin. EDIT to prevent double post: Any update on Kozek? WHen TH said "Kozek went off early..." I assumed he got a Checking from Behind penalty. This is much worse. Kozek was really being a force physically on the ice. Scrolling back through the thread it was nice to see Lee and Finley doing nice things. (Though I'm sure the two BSU goals are somehow their fault).

Gosh, before Christmas I was saying I'd take ONE point vs. Minnesota at that rate. Now, I think we can make their lives a little tough for those two games. ALl in all, though, Hakstol is right. Minnesota has won the WCHA outright if not this weekend, sooner or later. And, if Minnesota sweeps DU, UND sweeps Minnesota, and then Minnesota wins out, it will really help UND. Ok, I don't expect UND to sweep Minnesota either. But that scenario looks AWFULLY nice.

Hmmm... I can see where you'd think that about my opinion about goons. However, goons only use their fighting ability and only hone the other stuff just good enough to keep them in the league if they get the shot in the first place. Fighting is legal, sure, but it should be a secondary part of the game to EVERYONE. What I mean is, if the goon has skills other than fighting, those should be the skills that get him and keep him in the league, not his fighting ability. If a forward that is thought of as a guy who can bury the puck isn't burying the puck, I don't care what he did to the other guy's face. He's not going to last in the NHL very long. Same thing for a defenseman who can fight better than Ali but can't play responsible defense. Boogaard just goes out and tries to hit people and tries to instigate. He may occasionally try to hop into something else, but really, he's so much not a threat with the puck.

Not technically a troll. He's just a High School hockey fan who holds the Sioux in low regard. Whereas Lives-to-play has his low respect list, junior24 has the Sioux on his low respect team and that includes fans of the team. At least, that's as much as I've been able to tell before I put him on my ignore list. ::Shrug::

If he ever gets his hands on Sioux-cia's Schneider jersey, it will get even more... "romantic"

He helps people with heart ailments too?

RWtD is right. I like Porter oh.. I mean JENNY PORTER. Not as much as Mutrie, but she's close.

Oh my Parise! That looks very similar to Moorhead High School's arena!

Thanks for the recap, PCM. Maybe I missed something, but what is the fascination with Notre Dame? Why does a CCHA club make a world of difference to the Sioux or Hak?

I remember the guy. His name was Brent Cummings. He wore number 2. Interestingly enough, yet again Radke, at 6' (some list him at 5'11") taking on a guy that was 6'4" 220. And as for the fight. Cummings must have sucked so hard that Jutting cut him from the team. He's not on the 2006-7 MSUM roster and he was a junior last year. That was indeed a great fight.

I have a right to know where that $.50 is coming from!

I disagree with the "boys" on XM-204 then to a certain extent. The NHL didn't outlaw fighting. They made it harder to justify keeping a roster slot open for a guy who is only good at fighting (aka an enforcer or, slangly speaking, a goon). No one said players can't stand up for other players. They just now have to be able to do something other than fighting well in order to make the NHL. Bolded statement is already true. If you fan fight and be dominant in at least one other aspect of the game, then you will be valued. I know some call him cheap, but Scott Stevens was one of those types of players. As far as Red Wings, before his injury Vladimir Konstantinov was another. Kris Draper is another, although I'm not sure he fights much anymore. I think Matt Greene and Mike Commodore could be that kind of player. The more I think of it, the more I think a defenseman would fit the role. As for Boogaard, it never ceases to amaze me how much in dire need the Wild are for scoring yet they suit this guy up. I'd rather have a medicore scoring forward in the lineup than a top notch fighter who can't play any other aspect of the game very well at all.

Sioux-cia- Thanks. I'm sure my grandparents got to see a lot of the country side while they fled in terror. All they say is "At least I lived! I wish I could say that about my brothers and sisters!" And then she'd go on about how I would have loved my Great Uncle (who'd be about 75 or so now if he were alive). undsportsfan- You know what? You are right. Every tribe is different. But where you are wrong is where you cling onto your grandparents' injustices. You speak about how wrong it was that they weren't allowed to do certain things and personalize it as your own. That's horrible. My grandparents' family (my extended family) were slaughtered wholesale in very sick ways by the Germans. But I don't go on vendettas to curb German acts and behaviors found around the US (such as Ocktoberfest is held in certain places in the US). No one said you have to let your culture die. I certainly didn't. Your elders speak the language. GREAT! Who says your youth can't? They may not be able to speak the language in schools or colleges and such, but that's because the people that are not Native American don't speak that language and you need to speak English to succeed in the US. It's HOW IT IS! Please tell me how a Mexican American (no offense Sioux cia) or person from a non-English speaking country can expect to survive and prosper in the US if they can't speak, read, or understand the English language? In the US, I hear it called "home culture" and I believe in "home culture" as just that, your culture at "home." What and where is home? Well, as they say, "Home is where the heart is." My father speaks, reads, and writes fluent English. When he goes home to visit with his parents (my grandparents) do you know how much English is spoken? ZERO. NONE. He speaks Yiddish to his parents (Yiddish, for you folks, is a spoken dialect of German but a written dialect of Hebrew). Do you know how my grandparents were treated when they showed up speaking that language? they were treated like they didn't know English. They figured out RIGHT AWAY that in order to succeed in the US, they had to learn English. They did the best they could and, when my father was old enough, he'd help them learn English. I have a friend who is Vietnamese and his parents speak English, sure, but when he talks to his parents or his parents talk to him, they aren't speaking English, let me assure you. Do you understand what I'm saying and why I am saying this to you, undsportsfan? You seem to rationalize this nickname as some sort of vendetta further holding your ethnicity back when, in fact, it is your own people that are holding themselves back. No changing of the nickname, no sort of admission on anyone's part outside of your people will change that! My family struggled to survive and they succeeded! Some Native American families struggle to survive and succeed as well. Some of them leave the reservation never to return, which is too bad. Others forget their heritage, which is sad. But what about the rest? The 49% of those who don't graduate high school? The percentages of those that do or get a GED and don't continue their education even though they may qualify for tuition assistance? What is your people doing to help themselves? And when you asked "Aren't we talking about the nickname" we really are actually. Pro-changers talk about the affliction that the nickname brings on and we counter that there is no proof otherwise. You have yet to show proof! When this is breached, the aspect of social justice pops up and, with that, the "plight" issue. No one says Native Americans don't have it rough. However, they aren't exactly oppressed either. Didn't many schools of higher education install incentive programs for Native American students that help them either make a choice to attend college or help them through it once they are there? Isn't there protection under law in the Equal Opportunity Act and the Civil Rights Amendment? Your people are holding themselves back. And, it is partially because of socialistic mindsets. Not because they want to help take care of each other. Far from it. It's because they expect EVERYONE to take care of each other, Whites to take care of Native Americans, Whites to take care of African Americans, Whites to take care of everyone, because Whites are percieved to be "rich enough." Why are they percieved that way? Were Americans always so rich? Were pathways always open to us? Nope. We made our own pathways. One such pathway lead us to the very creation of the United States. Help yourselves, that's fine, but the best help you can do for yourself as far as an ethnicity would be to start using the American societal value set to your advantage. Start getting more than just your tribe's Native American's to graduate high school! Match or exceed the Caucasian's graduation rates (based upon total number of students of that ethnicity). You want to be equal to Caucasians, GOOD! But Caucasians can't make you equal to Caucasians. Only Native Americans can. No amount of sympathy or jumping to your every concern will change that. The nickname is merely a front. A small battle that will make you feel good for a little while if you win. But it will not improve anything other than your morale for a little while... until something else comes up and then it is off to advocate for that change. I could go on and on, but I feel I'm already ranting endlessly as it is.

Maybe so. In fact, I'm pretty sure you are right. However, I don't go to Bisonville or NDSU related message boards so I wouldn't know how UND fans act there. If they were acting disrespectful, I'd just as soon cast them in with the disrespectful lot. However, DI in Fargo, you are on a Sioux message board. This is where SIOUX fans post. Sioux fans tend to have Sioux-biased opinions. It's how it is. Some posters from other schools (sagard, greyeagle, cujo2 in hockey, bigmrg74 in football, Jesus,Family,&Rutgers in about every forum) understand that and act accordingly. Unfortunately, I didn't list any NDSU posters in that group. I'm still waiting for the day where I can call an NDSU visiting poster to SS.com respectful. Anyways, if I act disrespectfully on Bisonville or some other NDSU-related message board, I expect to be chastised or perhaps banned accordingly. I don't know why some posters here from other schools feel that their behavior can be disrespectful and still be respected (even so much as to expect their opinion to be respected despite their lack of respect for the "host school" of this site).

Here I thought it was about these: