TheFlop
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11 hours ago, Hayduke1 said:
Hello Cultists.
How is your antifa paranoia level today?
So she's in on the Russian money too?
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If the US was in need of an enema.....Portland would be where you stick the tube......but only after you took the tube out of Detroit.
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4 hours ago, jdub27 said:
It get's kind of amusing to watch people almost unintentionally stumble on the reason why "keep the vulverable sheltered and let everyone else live their life" won't actually work in reality.
It gets really amusing seeing people that so blindly hate a person/ideology that they are willing to continually throw common sense out of the window. With the understanding that there are no absolutes, protecting the vulnerable and letting everyone else rip does work if the vulnerable are truly protected and the let it rip doesn't overwhelm hospitals which by and large it hasn't.
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4 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:
Wall Street Journal. Forbes
Don't forget Vanity Fair lol
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1 minute ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:
No. The initial vaccines may have many chalenges of their own.
Fast forward 5 years....even with an "effective" vaccine that is 50% accurate, you could still easily have Covid-19 (or Covid 24) deaths in the tens of thousands. Shut everything down for months each year?
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1 hour ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:
I'll repost.
Trump said, that “all schools should be making plans to resume in-person classes as soon as possible.”
Correct, he said that, he wants that, but he can't force that. And leave the biased leaving out perspective reporting to the mainstream media. When you are the son of the President of the USA, you can't just up and switch schools a couple weeks before school starts due to all of the security arrangements that are necessary.
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1 hour ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:
Any parent that did that with their kids is a sorry excuse for a parent for making their kid needlessly worry about something that is far down the list of things that could hurt their kids.
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6 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:
Trump's youngest son is not returning to in class school this fall.
Because the private school he attends is starting with an online model for all kids.
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6 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:
If this is true masks are not the answer.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.03.20167395v1
Definitely growing evidence that it is aerosol.....which does make masks minimally effective short of an infected person hawking a loogie on someone.
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1 hour ago, Redneksioux said:
A nursing home can only control so much when asympomatic employees could bring it in with no rapid test.
And People like me? Honestly I’d just like to see better mask usage put in place but then we’ve got the anti mask crowd claiming it infringes on their civil liberties and guys like you claiming evidence of herd immunity as the answer when there’s no evidence. A high school senior needing to go to prom vs the need to attempt to save some lives....now this is entitlement.
flame on!
Comprehension still an issue I see. Nursing homes can absolutely control the access point. If they aren't operating under the assumption that anyone that enters could be a carrier then they aren't doing their job.....and that's on them.
Making everyone pay a price and needlessly sacrifice instead of holding the smaller number of people that have their hands directly on the issue accountable = typical far left logic.
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1 hour ago, Redneksioux said:
No I'm not saying that. I believe vendors at most would be required to wear masks and sanitize. But are gowns being used by vendors? And is ppe being discarded when going from patient to patient? This just isn't possible because they don't have enough ppe to follow standard infection control practices that have been used in hospitals for years. Yes six months into this and we still don't have the needed PPE.
The best solution I'm aware of right now is to attempt to reduce the number of infected coming in and in order to do so we need to reduce the number infected in the general public. A rapid test before entering would do wonders too.
Nursing homes are controlled, or at least controllable settings with an access point. It never ceases to amaze me the logic that people like you use by saying...."let's lockdown/impact/change as many lives as we can in the general public by cancelling/restricting activities" instead of doing the more common sense less intrusive approach of "let's control the access point". If an employee at the nursing home is scrubbing in/following the proper procedures the risk is minimal. If they aren't.....that's on the nursing home. If visitors can't safely enter, that's on the administration for not setting appropriate policies and the visitors for not being safe enough out in public given their want to periodically visit a nursing home. A high school senior missing prom wasn't and still isn't the solution.
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11 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
I really think the left is being overconfident right now. We'll have to see how it plays out, but Trump isn't as far off as some would like to believe.
That is right. He may not win, but it's gonna be really close. If the stock market stays up, unemployment trends down, and if there continues to be improvements in the treatment (and gulp a semi effective vaccine) look out.
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11 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:
As far as I know, it hasn’t been fully vetted out. I’d hope symptomatic individuals wouldn’t be showing up to work in a nursing home at this point though. Could be getting in from vendors or visitors too. Or on packages? Or all the above.
So are you saying that nursing homes aren't currently requiring all vendors/visitors to wear appropriate masks/sanitize.....and take other precautions like limiting number of visitors/visits? Because if not, once again that's on the nursing home not on the 18 year old kid that missed his football season this fall in Minnesota.
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1 hour ago, CarpeRemote said:
The article explains boosted immune response to the new c-19 due to a lifetime of exposures to common corona viruses (229E etc)
I assume that’s your point since it’s a form of herd immunity. In the current situation, herd immunity is generally used in terms of exposure to only c-19
Correct....because there are very few absolutes in anything. How did the asymptomatic/minimally symptomatic people get that level of "immunity"? It wasn't by living in a bubble and staying home for a week everytime someone in their school or office came down with some illness. They lived life, caught viruses, and built up their immune system.
Here's food for thought, the next virus that SE Asia slings over to the US might be more deadly than Covid-19.....what if having caught Covid-19 and allowing your immune system to build up and fight it off.....helps you weather the next virus?
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2 hours ago, Redneksioux said:
I understand a virus needs a host. So I will ask again, where in your article is the evidence that herd immunity is the answer?
In the nursing home's case, I'd argue that maybe it would help if there was less of the virus coming into the facility. But that would infringe on too many others' civil liberties right?
Who's bringing the virus into the facility? Maybe those people that are exposing vulnerable people to the virus should be more careful? Me going into Hugo's to buy a milk without a mask or my kid playing a basketball game isn't the one doing it.
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13 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:
No need to feel sorry for me, though I'm sorry you are struggling to comprehend the meaning of evidence. While I see what you are saying, this is not what it says in your article that you claimed as evidence. Where is the evidence from your article that you can claim herd immunity is the answer to Covid 19?
You realize the nursing home in Grand Forks is currently experiencing an outbreak right? Are you suggesting they should have their employees to retract their oathes, get rid of PPE, and just let this thing make it's way through so we can hurry up and get to your evidence based theory of herd immunity with Covid19? Why do you think they are going back to lockdown mode? Is Valley Senior Living ran by a bunch of liberals?
Your first question I (and frankly no one) can help you if you can't comprehend. A virus needs a host.....if it runs out of hosts...it runs out of people to spread it.
As to the outbreak you cited in Grand Forks, I specifically said people able to handle it. People in long term care facilities are a vulnerable population and require a higher level of protection. Apparently medical grade masks worn by trained medical personnel wasn't enough to prevent an outbreak.......maybe it would have helped to make them wear the same cloth masks that somehow are supposed to keep everyone safe in Hugo's.
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39 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:
I read it. The point of the article was to dig into why some people are asymptomatic while others get sever side effects. It goes on to say that some who were recently infected by another coronavirus (Mers or sars) May have some sort of immunity from T cells rather than antibodies.
did you read it? How does this article provide evidence that herd immunity is the answer? Where in the first couple paragraphs did you understand that?
Ok I feel sorry for you so I will explain. People previously got sick with a virus/viruses....contrary to liberal beliefs this is not something that just started happening in March 2020....been happening since the beginning of man/woman/non-binary/LGBTGIQWQIAGFF people. For those with normal immune systems (the majority of the population) getting these viruses has trained your immune system to be able to fight off that viruses and future viruses. The people that didn't live in a bubble and didn't have pre-existing problems with their immune systems have fared fine with Covid. The more Covid spreads through people that are able to handle it......the fewer people there will be going forward to keep catching it and spreading it to others that maybe can't handle it.
It really is a bandaid quick or slow type of thing.....and I understand why the bandaid wasn't yanked off right away.....but the slow peel of the last 4-5 months has been ridiculous.
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28 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:
What evidence In your link suggests herd immunity is the answer?
What little credibility you had, if there was any left, is gone now if you can't understand. Serious question, do you even know what herd immunity means?
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More evidence that herd immunity is the answer....and Fauci basically admits it. The ironic thing is that those that have done best with Covid....are those with an immune system that has grown strong by fighting off similar viruses. With all of this social distancing/quarantining going on people don't have the chance to catch the more minor viruses......that would help strengthen their immune system.....and have them ready to fight off more severe viruses when they pop up.
https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/coronavirus/article244852012.html
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1 hour ago, Redneksioux said:
Dodging the question? Yeah I’ve heard of them. Never heard of the allergic needing to avoid the grocery aisle like it’s been suggested here but I also don’t know many with peanut allergies so won’t claim to have more knowledge on the matter.
sounds like a pretty dumb comparison to me anyways but I’ve heard a lot worse so no surprises here.
have a great weekend and don’t be so upset about having to wear a mask. You could be off much worse.
Who said anything about a grocery aisle? Nice try. Thanks for playing.
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17 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:
Having to avoid the peanut butter aisle in a grocery store sounds more like a personal problem. Sorry you have to deal with that.
Typical.....dodging the question.
Your argument = if there is any chance that something in your breath may harm others than wear a mask for the rest of your life or else. Whether that's peanut butter or Covid.....it could still spread and cause harm. There, did I dumb it down enough for you?
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3 hours ago, Redneksioux said:
Are you insinuating that jars of peanut butter are spewing peanut droplets into the air?
You've never heard of airborne peanut allergies? You are the one that brought up immuno compromised people being able to demand 100% capitulation from others to accommodate their condition.
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1 hour ago, Redneksioux said:
People need to remember it goes both ways. Is an immunocompromised individual’s civil liberties being infringed upon if they or their family members cannot safely go out in public because no one is wearing masks? Or is requiring mask use infringing on your civil liberty to go in public without one?
There’s a simple solution and we all know it’s coming, I just don’t see the benefit in delaying it. It will fix this argument as a whole. It’s a mask mandate.
In other news.....MN nursing homes....a controlled setting with what I can only imagine is 100% mask compliance....is seeing a slight uptick in cases....but masks are the solution. https://m.startribune.com/minnesota-covid-19-cases-increasing-among-long-term-care-residents-and-workers/572041592/
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1 hour ago, Redneksioux said:
People need to remember it goes both ways. Is an immunocompromised individual’s civil liberties being infringed upon if they or their family members cannot safely go out in public because no one is wearing masks? Or is requiring mask use infringing on your civil liberty to go in public without one?
There’s a simple solution and we all know it’s coming, I just don’t see the benefit in delaying it. It will fix this argument as a whole. It’s a mask mandate.
You must realize the insanity of what you are proposing? So does the peanut butter industry need to close up shop because they are violating a kid's rights who has an airborne peanut allergy?
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2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)
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The same medical professionals that advocate for wearing masks also have been advocating for years for people to lose weight, exercise more, and eat better. Obese people weren't forced to stay at home, wear gags so the couldn't eat, and they didn't have the majority of their leisure activities cancelled due to their non compliance back then but wouldn't that have cured the obesity epidemic?
People that did what they were supposed to do (give a crap about their health) shouldn't be the ones to pay for those that didn't do the same.