siouxkid12

Ha no its not time to implode it but its not like it used to be. I am not saying its not a good recruiting tool or that its not nice any longer but other schools are stepping up.

You are spot on, the Ralph is no longer the recruiting tool it used to be. A lot of programs are reinvesting into their hockey programs and building new facilities.

In the past 20 years, Denver, Boston College and Duluth have won 3 titles each (and Duluth was not far from winning 3 in a row). In times where they say "parity" is too much and you can't win a title every few years is just wrong. How are these three programs doing it? Heck, UMass was in back-to-back title games and Quinnipiac was in the title game twice in four years. So don't tell me programs aren't winning titles every few years when in reality there are programs that are. In the time span from 2000-2015 we were in the FF 9 times and since then, we have only been there once. I don't expect UND to win a National Championships every year or every other year but I do expect them to make the NCAA and win more than one game, that is not an unreasonable expectation.

You know exactly where this team will be come NCAA tournament time, you just don't want to admit it.

No, you basically implied that UND was going to win that year. As of right now Berry is going down the path of Don Lucia and we all know what happened with that program for the longest time.

are you saying we would've won in 2020?

I'm just saying that Matt Shaw was given the door very quickly while all current staff members are given a longer leash. I know Karl has our PP at the top this year but 5x5 stinks as does goaltending and quite possibly recruiting. Why do they get pass when Shaw never did? I am not saying that Shaw shouldn't have been let go, what I am saying is that something is wrong with our current staff that needs to be addressed because we are going to miss the NCAA again.

They should. Matt Shaw was not re-upped (basically given the door) when his PP and defensive units were not doing well.

Either way the point is that there aren't enough regular season games to make up if you lose early, especially if they are out of conference games.

No but you did say you wonder where we would be if we didnt play AZ and that it was an unneeded extra game. Someone replied to you and said that playing ASU should be a W and that winning solves problems. You replied by saying "theres enough regular season games for that", how are you not implying about early season games?

They just work harder and play together, unlike other teams in the conference.

See, that's been the mentality of everyone all year and you can't think like that. Early season games matter just as much as late season games. Also, it just shows that out of conference games are HUGE in the PWR.

We won't get in unless we win the NCHC, and that isnt happening....

good for you but the fact of the matter is we never should've lost those games and they are coming back to bite us in the butt...

Was messing around with the customizable pairwise ranker on CHN.com and I switched the Arizona State loss to a win and the Bemidji State Tie to a win (left everything else the same). I didn't come away surprised because those two "wins" would have us at 14th in the pairwise rankings. We win those two games and I think there's a different perspective on the season.

But you and the gobc said he’s fine.

And since he’s only got NCAA 1 tournament win since inning. Consistency hasn’t been his friend and I think that’s the frustrating part. He was quick to dump Matt Shaw when things weren’t going right, maybe it’s time to dump an assistant…

People’s complaints aren’t knee jerk reactions, this has been an issue for a few years now. I think the frustration with Hak was that we were always at the table but we couldn’t finish it off. Getting to the NCAA tournament should be a standard thing for UND and anything less than that is unacceptable.

You are 100% correct that this program really took off when Hak took the reins. People also forget those early/mid 90's times at the old Ralph when the team was so terrible that you couldn't give away a ticket.

Everyone can speculate what will/should happen but at the end of the day Berry has to answer to the AD. I myself am concerned with the way the program is heading. I am not sure if Berry has lost a step in recruiting or if it's his assistants who are crappy at recruiting but something in that department needs to change. When I hear stories about players not hanging out with each other and what not, it concerns me because it reflects with their play on the ice (they don't play well together). It's like what Herb Brooks said, "I'm not looking for the best players, I am looking for the right players" and I question if they are getting the right ones. Also, how many seasons are we going to give Berry before people really get worried? I understand winning a league title is good but not making the NCAA tournament multiple times is a big deal.

So you're okay with the way the program is heading?

Berry has a good relationship with Kris (kisses the ground she walks on) and we all know she runs the hockey program. Berry is safe...

Let's be honest, they don't run anything. He just talks to talk.

That might be what I was thinking....Thanks!

Umm, I am pretty sure he scored a goal in the national championship game.