MafiaMan

I like the first part of your message...not the second. Corey Perry > Sidney Crosby? No thanks. Go Kings.

That's EXACTLY what I thought as well.

Hmnnn...and if these "students" are suspended or expelled and they make an appearance at the local ACLU office alongside the AISS group, which one do you think will get the ear of the staff attorneys there?

I know, I know, Goon and others might think I'm a tin-foil hat away from being certifiably nuts about this issue, but if you would have told me when REA opened that by 2013, the Sioux nickname and logo would be no more and the words "HOME OF THE FIGHTING SIOUX" would be decorations in someone's back yard, I'd have said you were nuts too.

You catch on quick, Oxbow6!

A gag order? But, wait, First Amendment rights! Cue the call to the ACLU and them jumping on board this ship.

Doesn't look like the INSIDE of the stadium to me...

We're talking metric system and millimeters, right?

Sheesh...finally decided to join the party, gfhockey?

Actually, it's $98million + $98 million, so $16 million more for those two players...but who's counting? Hey, second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs...congratulations, boys! Parise: 13 games, 4 goals, 10 assists, -3 Guter: 13 games, 1 goal, 6 assists, -5

Good grief...I didn't know "Polack" is considered an ethnic slur too...

http://onlineathens....820000027.shtml The ban was upheld in 2000 and includes flags WITHOUT STICKS OR POLES bigger than 12X14. Where there's a will, there's a way...

I'm not comparing the nickname to sexual abuse, Oxbow6, I'm simply pointing out what Penn State did: Nuke everything related to Paterno and start over. Let me throw this out there - suppose the NCAA decides that this situation has become too toxic and changes the goal line again, only this time, they tell UND to ban fans from wearing anything related to those logos at events? If UND does not comply, they will again be placed on the "hostile and abusive" list. Do you doubt for one second that Kelley wouldn't immediately put together a plan to do just that AND enforce it? You don't have to go far to find bans on items at stadiums...Ole Miss has banned the "Stars and Bars" for years now. Right, wrong, good, bad, or indifferent, a ban on clothing, flags, etc. is NOT unprecedented. http://www.al.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2013/10/former_ole_miss_chancellor_tal.html

They won't be offended anymore when the "Monarch Butterflies" take the field, court, or ice...

Short-term loss...long-term gain. You want to deal with 500 people attending football games and 3,000 attending hockey games for a few seasons...or would you prefer to have UND continue to be dragged thru the mud on a daily basis on TV, the newspapers, and the interwebs, watch student enrollment drop, and the name-brand "University of North Dakota" continue to be de-valued? See also: Penn State.

And Ralph said the Fighting Sioux name and logo would live on forever. Has THAT changed? Kelley could whip up a policy reversal quicker than you can say "extenuating circumances" or "in light of recent events...".

What's the Alerus going to do to stay somewhat profitable if UND threatens to move football games unless a clothing ban is instituted? Invite Warrant to play a couple shows this fall? A tractor pull? Monster Jam? If UND says "kick out anyone wearing a Sioux logo," the folks at the Alerus are going to respond with "YES SIR!".

I don't know what they can ban...but obviously an outright ban is what these people want.

So privately-owned facilities can't force you to wear certain types of clothing or throw you out for wearing certain types of clothing. As a test-run of this theory, I'm going to see if Oxbow6 will wear his man-kini to church on Sunday and see if he's asked to leave.

http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=23701299 But these weren't UND students...doesn't matter. That's what EVERYONE believes now. The genie is out of the bottle. But that's not UND's logo (it's not a &^%$ing mascot for crying out lout)...doesn't matter...it's an Indian with a beer funnel, therefore, it belongs to UND. And now it's pictured next to ANOTHER t-shirt that the story implies was also from "UND's Springfest." Groan... I'll say it again (and again and again and again)...the truth absolutely does not matter. This story is making national and even world headlines...and you think Kelley's short statement released the other day is going to appease the mob? It's not.

http://lastrealindia...r-erich-longie/ "...that happened at UND over the weekend." And now an explosive charge of a professorship at UND being offered in exchange for a viewpoint change? Here's comes a UND investigation. So, does UND sit and wait another 5, 10, 15, maybe 20 years before the die-hard alumni who wear Sioux jerseys just fade away into oblivion? Or does UND take a new, dramatic step of cutting the snake off at the head and banning the display and wearing of Sioux jerseys or t-shirts at sporting events? Will you be in the "I'll never attend another game at UND if that happens" crowd and burn your season tickets? Or will you suck it up and find something else to wear to the game when the football team is 8-0 and ranked #1 in the country heading into a home game against the Bison, the women's basketball team is hosting a conference championship game, or the hockey team is on a 15-game home winning streak and Minnesota comes to town? Are you going to stay away based on loyalty to a dead nickname and logo?

I would like to share your optimism, CMSioux, but the bad information contained in almost every online story (including the GF Herald) seems to spice this up - UND students...UND's Springfest...UND's former logo with a beer funnel added...THAT's what people are going to read and assume to be the truth.

Oh, I think naming the school after a group of Yankees who killed Spaniards on foreign soil is likely to be met with some opposition by UND's academia nuts who will no doubt occupy a good portion of the new nickname committee. They'll find a Spaniard who is offended by the term "Rough Riders"...

The calls to end the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo existed when the logo was the same as Chicago's. I'm comparing UND's Blackhawk to Chicago's...one can't be offensive while the other is an honor since they are the exact same thing.