Bison06

Really, negative rep? You guys are so sensitive.

Didn't seem like a PM sort of question. Just thought I would have him clarify his comment before responding and possibly derailing the thread.

Fair enough.

I realize this comment was in response to trolling, but what exactly do you mean by "doing things the right way"? You say it in a way that suggests NDSU doesn't do it the right way. Is that what you're saying?

Don't I read on here often how many UND grads are living in Fargo?

You seem to be implying that wasn't a cordial discussion. What part of my or anyone else's role in that discussion would you not define as cordial? additionally, if you're going to paraphrase my comments, at least have the spirit of my posts reflected in your paraphrase. I stated several time in fact in that discussion that it isn't the biggest accomplishment, but rather it is arguably the biggest sports story in North Dakota history. To which I later agreed that the Maris story is clearly a bigger story. It just didn't immediately come to mind since it was over 2 decades before my birth.

I have agreed the entire time that the two are a good comparison, physically. Only part of this that I commented on was geaux_sioux's comment about beating his chest. Not a big deal. Given geaux_sioux's history of posting here, I believe him to be sincere in a comment he made later, halfway retracting the comments or at least clarifying the comment. I'm not working to belabor the argument here. Not seeking approval, just simply stating, which I hope all of you would agree with, any NFL career that last as long as Joe's is something to be proud of if you are Joe. If in 10 years Mr. Ratelle has the exact same career Joe Mays had, I would be disappointed if UND fans didn't see Will's career as a MAJOR success.

You missed geauxsioux's comment that said he wouldn't beat his chest, meaning be prideful, about Joe Mays' career. I said any career that lasts as long as Joe's is something to be very proud of.

I read football forums seeking cordial discourse. When I read comments that I believe to be false, out of interest in either beginning a conversation or providing my perspective on a conversation that's already begun I will occasionally give my opinion. If, as a UND fan, you see that as some sort of coup or a feather in your cap, bully for you.

Context. You clearly picked a side of the fence. No worries though, I didn't mean to derail any attention from Mr. Ratelle. Hope he gets drafted very high and has a successful career. He seems like a good kid with an amazing work ethic. Definitely should be able to make a name for himself on special teams and then find his way into the two deep over time.

I understand he hasn't been a star, but as you know, longevity in the NFL is rare. I've been very impressed with Joe's career given he fought the same uphill battle with his measurables that Mr. Ratelle will be overcoming in his career hopefully.

Way to defend someone who took a shot at a kid living out his dream of playing football in the NFL for nearly 3x the NFL average career. Your family and friends must be real proud.

I love this pattern you guys have over here. Backhanded insult to a decade long career, I state the obvious that everybody knows but are unwilling to admit anything a Bison player has done is impressive and it's met with...cool story bro. Don't take backhanded, unnecessary shots and there won't be any reason for anyone to say anything. Coolio?

A decade long career in the NFL is definitely something to beat your chest about, regardless of what the stats show.

For the record, a lot of Bison fans have come to feel the exact same way about bisonville that you do. There are about 20 people who all know each other in the "real world" who have dominated that board for the last 5 years and any opinion outside of their little circle jerk is mocked and ridiculed. That board is full of tired old jokes and "overconfident" insecure people. I only visit that site to keep up on recruiting.

I actually would agree with you, the Maris situation is enormous and is likely in first place with a bullet. That event happened 20+ years before I was born so it didn't immediately come to mind.

That works for me. Listen, the spirit of my post wasn't to create this argument over if it is or isn't the biggest thing to happen. My original post was in response to someone not really happy about Carson getting all the attention at the proday, which in my opinion, is warranted. It is a big deal to maybe be the first quarterback taken in the draft, especially coming from a school that isn't part of the P5 or G5. I'm sure there are many events that trump Carson and all the hype he is getting, but like I said, the fact that we have to go back 50-100 years to make comparisons says quite a bit in my opinion.

lol, I hadn't posted on this topic in days and show up here to this s-storm that one small comment created. The fact that people have to go back to 1961 and 1930 something to find another event to compare to the media hype over Wentz right now sort of bolsters my argument, does it not?

I didn't say this was the biggest accomplishment in North Dakota sports history, I said it's the biggest moment as far as buzz and people talking about sports in the state. Maybe you'll see that as splitting hairs, but that is what I meant. I agree that he hasn't accomplished anything near Maris or Phil Jackson, that has yet to be seen and would be disrespectful to call what Carson has done the greatest accomplishment. That isn't what I meant.

Arguably Phil's career obviously is enormous, but which moment, of Phil's career trumps the media story that a kid from ND being possibly a top 10 pick in the draft? Either way, my point was to say that the media hype around him right now is warranted. It isn't surprising that nobody else from yesterday's pro-day received much attention. He's possibly the best prospect, at the most important position, in the country's most celebrated sport, coming from relative obscurity. It's a huge story.

You must have missed the part where I said arguably. Most would say this is a bigger story I think. Phil doesn't really even claim ND as home in the interviews I've seen.

Would you expect it to be handled differently? This is arguably the biggest story in the history of ND sports.

I can see that you're working very hard to be argumentative by picking out the one word that makes me slightly wrong. This isn't a workplace setting, you can throw fair out the window. This is football, unusual motivation tactics have been a mainstay in this sport since it's inception. I can only speak from my experience and Mr. Fruend is from the same era of football I am, he and I agree that this was a proper punishment and I applaud his tactics, let's see how it plays out for him.

For smoking weed, probably true, but there are lesser offenses than smoking weed that wouldn't warrant a bad conduct discharge correct?

Nobody asked my opinion, but I'll give it anyway :). I actually think this was a great move by the coaching staff, having the people you care about(teammates in your position group,who in my experience can be closer than brothers at times) suffer as a result of your misstep is hugely impactful for a young man. This is a common punishment in the military and I believe it applies very well in a college football setting too. It displays the attitude that "we are all in this together and your screw up affects many more people than just you". Having the offenders not participate is a genius move IMO because the guilt they feel from watching their brothers suffer shows them how selfish their actions were. I personally love the move.