Bison06

Again, you do realize you are saying that a 7-4 team that missed the playoffs is better than a national semifinalist right? What about the NDSU/UND game makes anyone around here think UND would have done better than Richmond? The scores were nearly identical.

And some of you are wondering why an NDSU fan is saying UND fans think they are a snubbed invite away from making a championship run? Now UND is better than a national semifinalist? UND was playing better at the end of the season compared to the beginning, but so are most teams who are playoff caliber. I find it interesting that UND fans think they would give NDSU a better shot now, it's quite clear that NDSU drastically improved over the course of the season as well, eg Montna games.

Honest answer: I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know a whole lot about Parise and Oshie. I've rarely heard them say much about hockey on that show.

Every argument you make against FCS football could be turned 180 degrees back on college hockey. The average sports fan couldn't name the NCAA hockey champ from last year or any year for that matter. The point is, they are both "secondary" sports to FBS football and NCAA basketball. In that way, I see them as on equal footing in the minds of sports fans across the country. Otherwise how do you account for the fact that more people watch the FCS playoffs than watch the Frozen Four?

I don't understand this argument and I never have. The discussion is about which brings more exposure and is considered more prestigious. Not which pipeline sends more "stars" to their respective professional league. I think it could be argued, quite well, that the exposure a school gets from playing in the FCS playoffs is higher than what that same school garners from a run to the national title in NCAA hockey. We could go round and round all day, but if we look at the TV ratings and exposure, I think you'll find that the two are pretty well even, with FCS football coming out slightly ahead. http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2015/01/unc-louisville-ratings-espn-basketball-epl-nbcsn-most-watched-fcs-college-football-championship-espn/ http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/2015/4/15/8384553/2015-frozen-four-tv-ratings-providence-boston-university-jack-eichel

Actually, that isn't all that is needed to be known. Of course all three are good, but this is sports, there are winners and there are losers. There are varying degrees of "good" and that is what's being discussed here.

I'm not saying anything, I'm merely asking a question that many people are asking today. Is the Big Sky style of play built to win in the playoffs? I believe UND is headed in the right direction under Schweigert, but given some of those "big wins" turned out to be against teams that may not have been as good as they looked at the time(I think that's a fair statement) does that do anything to temper the excitement of going 7-4? It wasn't meant as a knock in any way. If NDSU was in the same situation and beat let's say a 9-2 UNI team, and then UNI lays an egg in the playoffs, I would wonder how good of a win that UNI win really was. I'm guessing many UND fans may be saying the same about the PSU win at this point. Like I said, I think you are all correct in your optimism about the direction of the program, just wondering if that optimism is hedged a bit given the outcome of the Big Sky teams in the playoffs. The vast majority seem to say it doesn't, great, it's just a discussion starter.

This is going to come off as smack and it's a difficult question to ask this passionate group, but does seeing the lack of Big Sky success in the playoffs do anything to temper the excitement of what I consider to be a successful season for you guys? I hope that doesn't come across as an a-hole question, I'm sure it has crossed a few of your minds this morning. It would mine if the tables were turned. BTW, I was actually impressed with PSU last night, it's hard to gauge a game that's played in such crappy conditions though.

I'm not understanding what you're trying to get at. I was impressed with UND's run defense, sure, but as others have said, UND was so intent on stopping the run and hanging their hat on that against NDSU that they couldn't stop the passing attack. To say NDSU COULD NOT RUN isn't true either, they ran for over 100 yards. Frazier ran for over 80. And running stats don't get "inflated" due to long runs, those are part of the stats and typically how running backs get their yards. eg Adrian Peterson. With all this "you should see UND play now" talk, it's hard for me to understand why some on here seem to think UND is the only team that progressed over the course of the season. NDSU is also an extremely young team and IMO is dramatically better on defense then they were early on. Honest opinion, if UND and NDSU played again today, I believe NDSU would win by even more. NDSU left a lot of points on the field in September and I believe our offensive coaching staff's play calling has gelled with the player's abilities well in the second half of the season.

Every win in the playoffs is a good win. MVFC will likely be 2-1 when all is said and done today.

My apologies, I wasn't aware.

I come here because people actually like to have discussion on football vs. the circle jerk, group think, clique that bisonville has become in the last 5 years. If there is discussion that I can contribute to, I'll chime in. Has never been about telling anyone how great NDSU is, that I believe is evident without me saying a word.

Agree completely. As has been said many times, WIU isn't the best argument UND has to be in the playoffs anyway. It's EIU that UND should be in over.

So now you can watch a team play on TV in bad weather conditions and predict with any degree of certaintly how many points your team would score on them? This is the playoffs, everyone is good, doesn't mean they are all great though. Like I said in a previous post, WIU will end up winning this one by 15+, scoring 17+ unanswered. Not exactly an embarrassing showing.

1. Nobody said they were great. 2. Even though Dayton lost to Drake, they obviously are used to winning, which is important. 3. The game isn't over yet and I predict WIU wins by 15+ points, when it's all said and done.

Losing on the last play of the game in each? I understand the need to go on the offensive when he makes a low blow type comment, but this is just grasping at straws.

I'm of the opinion that every FBS win by an FCS team is a great win. 22 more scholarships is a HUGE advantage, not to mention the larger budgets to pay a coaching staff much more at that level. On your second point, if we are breaking it down into good FBS teams and bad FBS teams, I would argue that NDSU has 2 wins over good FBS teams. K-State and Central Michigan in 2007. They were the MAC champions and NDSU absolutely destroyed them.

For the last time, read the original post I responded to. You guys are ridiculous. The original poster stated you guys have a case for being in over WIU because your win over PSU trumped WIU's win over SDSU, I disagreed and provided reasons. I believe UND got screwed, I have made that clear from the outset. What I don't agree with is PSU is a better win than SDSU. That's it.

don't be so salty, I've had a busy fall. Had nothing to do with wins or losses. In my mind UND should have gotten in, but the people who get paid to make these decisions didn't and theirs is the only opinion that matters. They thought WIU's win over SDSU(as well as the rest of their resume)was more impressive than what UND showed on the field. So argue all you want about your PSU win being more impressive than theirs over SDSU but the people who matter in this scenario agree with me

Cole Jirik doesn't speak for me or anyone else and he certainly isn't on the NCAA committee so his opinion means literally nothing to me.

Playoff caliber sure, but not in the field of 24 so they are a non-playoff team.

It's just a matter of opinion, I believe SDSU is better than PSU. We can go round and round all day, but this is why having a playoff is fun. It'll all play itself out. I predict that PSU loses to UNI in their first playoff game.

SDSU lost to 3 playoff teams and PSU lost to 2 non playoff teams, UND and UNC.

I've never once trolled on this board. Try again. My posting theme in this thread revolves around the original poster saying UND's win over PSU trumps WIU's win over SDSU. I disagreed. If that sort of discussion is trolling than you need thicker skin my friend.

That's not part of the equation on whether SDSU or PSU is the better team. The fact is SDSU lost to 3 playoff teams, PSU lost to 2 non playoff teams. If PSU beats UNI in the playoffs, I'll believe they are for real.