Bison06

Thanks to Covid-19, some of us have a hell of a lot more free time than we used to.

Well, for what’s it worth from a random avatar on a message board, I’ve found discourse with you to be useful. Conversation about important topics is far more important than many people realize and it is a true travesty that our culture has gotten to a point that we are unable to discuss the truly important things without it devolving into personal attacks and people retreating to their respective echo chambers. I wear a mask for 10 hours a day, I’m just simply not a fan of telling others how to love their lives as that is the respect I expect from others. I like to hear differing opinions and would argue fervently and if needed sacrifice much more for every American’s right to express theirs as well. I fear we are headed for a future where expressing one’s opinions will no longer be allowed. I hope I am wrong.

You can hold it against me, everybody else does here when we are arguing about fun things like football and recruiting. I read through your studies, the first one has nothing to do with Covid-19, they are using data on Influenza. Call me crazy, but I’ve been told no less than 1k times in the last 5 months that “it’s not the F’ing Flu”. Ok it’s not the flu so how can we use data from the flu? Second one, I agree with you in theory, as this link also just tests for respiratory jet reduction which is obvious to me. Clearly wearing a mask holds in a respiratory expulsion during a sneeze or talking. That’s not a question in my mind. What is a question is if masks are effective in reducing the spread of covid 19. Not in theory, in the real world. So far, we haven’t seen masks change the trajectory of the infection rate in a meaningful way. We haven’t seen people be able to get their kids back to school with a mask mandate, we haven’t seen sports be able to move forward with a mask mandate. For me it isn’t about the mask, for me it’s the precedent it sets. Just look at the comments from Hayduke, vaccine mandate or public shaming is right around the corner and the mask mandate set the precedent for it. That’s my problem with masks.

Do you even realize that you posted articles that are all quoting the cdc recommendations? And none of those are actual studies. I’m not an “anti-masker”, what I am looking for is some sort of proof they work. Cases around the country simply don’t support that.

Proven, you keep using this word as if it’s true. California has had a mandatory mask mandate since the middle of June. Check their numbers. Masking simply isn’t helping, this isn’t my opinion. Insane is telling people they have to put something in their bloodstream to make you feel safe.

I hope some day there is an intervention that you disagree with and are forced to comply with so you can see how awful it is that you think you can tell people how to live their lives

So now you've graduated to medical fascism. Wonderful. As we've all been saying since the get go, it'll never be enough for you or people who think like you. Medical decisions need to be between doctor and patient and never politicized.

Serious question for you, if “wear a mask and STHU” turns into “get a vaccine and STHU” will you feel the same way?

What is your obsession with masks? Every place they have gone with mandatory mask use in the US we haven’t seen a decrease in spread. This is not my opinion, I wear a mask. Is it just about obedience with this topic or why have you decided that mask use is the lynchpin here?

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-face-masks-not-entirely-effective-2020-1 Interesting what you can find if you look at what experts were saying before March when this became political.

Oh that’s right, he changed his mind after he said this. 40 years of medical experience changed overnight due to the coronavirus.

Excellent, you happen to live in a state that has the process refined. That isn’t true for most of the rest of the states.

I’m fine with handling my masks. I deal with people in my business daily who are forced to wear one and trust me, the masks they wear and how they wear them aren’t helping anyone.

You’re all over the map. Are you not seeing what life is like for people outside of north dakota? I had four friends file for bankruptcy in June, my son can’t go to school in the fall, my business took a massive hit that it will likely never recover from. Peoples lives are absolutely being shut down. Dying and/or having a loved on die, though awful, isn’t the only awful thing that a person has to endure.

You also realize that nearly everyone wearing a mask uses it exactly in the way he described.

That wasn’t your argument. Your point is immunocompromised people need the rest of us to look out for them, I say they need to do what they need to to protect themselves. We can’t all shut down our lives to protect them like we have with covid.

Well, here in Minnesota we have had a mask restriction for two weeks and schools still can’t open. So, as much as I appreciate your reasonable approach to the give and take of risk here, officials around the country don’t share your approach.

if you walk through the peanut butter aisle in the grocery store with a peanut allergy, is it the stores fault or yours?

Ok so if someone could snap their fingers and everyone, everywhere would be wearing a mask, would you be in favor of eliminating all restrictions on schools and businesses and letting people fight to get their lives back?

Immunocompromised people are responsible for themselves, they always have been. Covid doesn’t change that. We already have one in Minnesota, my guess is it will have zero affect on the cases.

Not to nearly the same level with what I’ve seen from the covid counts.

I realize you disagree with this, but as I’ve said, I don’t believe the death count is accurate as they are counting people who died of other things and then test positive for covid.

Most experts agree that there are likely millions of undiagnosed asymptomatic cases among us, which brings the death rate much lower

I suggest, as I've said from the beginning and what we've done with every single respiratory virus in my lifetime and beyond, we protect and isolate the vulnerable and let it burn through the healthy population. ie Influenza.

Getting the vaccine is going to be no guarantee either. And with low opt in rates(check some of the latest polls) we are banking on this vaccine being a panacea when it is just going to be another tool in the tool box. A vaccine rushed to market like this will likely come with more efficacy and safety issues than usual too.