Bison06

sigh...BLM means two things. One is a phrase that everybody agrees with, if you don't then you are a racist fool. Two, it is absolutely a political movement with stated goals that include EQUITY, not equality and "disrupting the nuclear family" and supporting the 1619 project. All of which are highly debatable topics.

One of those is a constitutional duty of the President. The other is pure politics from both sides. Can't compare the two.

When you are stuck in an echo chamber you assume the whole world agrees with your message and are emboldened to speak out without consequence. NDSU is learning pretty quickly that the people who pay their bills don't want that message conveyed on their dollar. I support many parts of the message that Mr. Lance and others are speaking up about, I disagree with other parts, but that doesn't matter. I don't think it's appropriate to make political statements as an NDSU student athlete and apparently I'm not alone. I would be just as adamant about not wanting them to speak about it on NDSU time if it was a message I fully supported.

Until it goes public, I'll have to keep it to myself, but it's the big names you would think of when you think of large NDSU donors from what I've heard.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate The unemployment rate is currently at roughly the same level it was in 2013 or 2014. Why didn't we need extra unemployment benefits to make it back then?

Word behind the scenes is the donor situation is much worse than has previously been posted on this board. NDSU is losing some major money over this. "Good riddance" they'll say, until NDSU has to start dropping sports and pulling scholarships of student athletes because they can't fund them. This would be a problem at every major institution in the country, you can't allow NDSU football or any other athlete to make political statements, whether you agree or disagree.

I know you were, others were legitimately agreeing that it is racist.

Isn’t it actually more racist to suggest an intelligence test is racist when the OP on this thought didn’t bring race into the discussion? Why are you assuming that minorities have lower intelligence?

You’re a real treat, carry on.

Why even comment if you’re purposely derailing a perfectly civil and easy to understand discussion? What do you get out of that? I little giggle to yourself?

You are unbelievably dense.

I’m saying If you’re ok with athletes making any political statements, you have to be ok with a player making an extreme political statement that you would disagree with. Pro-choice? Would you be ok with an athlete putting a pro life message on his uniform? Anti 2nd amendment? Would you be ok with a student athlete putting an NRA sticker on his helmet. Its a pretty easy statement to understand. Either all political statements are ok for student athletes to make or none of them are. Which is it for you?

Pretty clear statement, what’s the confusion?

When it comes to politics and these athletes, either all of it is ok or none of it is. So you’d be ok if a UND hockey player wrote something about supporting the CCP or Kim Jong Un?

The spokesperson for the health system was on this morning and he said this is all as a direct result of losing elective surgeries for months.

Nice twist. I, of course, did. They may not have seen it that way is what I’m saying.

If you think every player who knelt at the NDSU game on Saturday fully understand the political history and implications with kneeling during the national anthem and silently protesting, than you are giving 18-22 year old football players way too much credit. If given the opportunity to support my Bison brothers back in the day in a way that would have made them feel like I see them as equals, I would have done it in a heart beat and I hope that the rest of my teammates would have done the same. Those kids have been through some serious things together and likely had some pretty intense conversation revolving around these issues in the last 7 months. I'm glad that they are supporting each other through it.

Well you've made my point without trying. When you speak out and for example put a BLM sticker on your helmet like NDSU did this weekend, people make assumptions about what that means. Maybe you didn't mean it to support a rapist or certain things BLM stands for, you only did it to support your black teammate or promote equality. This is why symbols are so controversial and why posting them as a bumper sticker or a sticker on your helmet can be complicated, people attribute different meanings to symbols and that can lead to massive misunderstandings.

By complex I mean this. What they think they are protesting is noble, I support individuals in their right to bring attention to something they see as a worthy cause. It is complicated by the current NCAA model. The precedented fact that players are representative of the University and therefore not allowed to speak up on their own behalf to make money or political statements. They represent something much larger than themselves and are poorly educated/experienced in how to maneuver these subjects. It's the same reason the mail guy at Amazon doesn't speak for Amazon politically. They leave that to someone whose job it is to speak for the University and/or the Athletic Department.

If that's a serious answer then I'll answer it this way. People can spend their money wherever they like. I am not surprised in the slightest that NDSU players and coaches speaking out on a controversial and incredibly complex subject is drawing criticism and a response.

People like what?

According to the media and some on this forum, we should have access to everything he is taking(if anything), or is this one of those times that "It's Different?"

https://www.lawfareblog.com/public-disclosure-presidential-illnesses-discouraging-history Interesting read and a very detailed history of the president's health over the decades/centuries and the lengths administrations have gone to keep things secret.

That's incorrect. His last negative test is his health information and we don't have access to it as the public.

Because the president's health has never been something we have access to. We don't get to know. If this wasn't a global pandemic virus that Trump contracted and none of the other facts changed(hospitalization, meds, oxygen), the story our of the White House would have been the President was undergoing routine testing this weekend at Walter Reed.