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I think the Wild, especially Koivu, play better today and get this one...but only this one. Not having Heatley or Pommerville does hurt though when talking depth.

Hey...it's Barry. You can do/say what you want when you can wear a big salad on your head like him!!! He's channeling his inner Samson!

Brodin will be one of the 10 best Dman in the league in 3 years IMO

Correct but he revised it on Monday...Hawks vs Pens.

Spot on...Koivu has stunk for weeks. Was a -6 in April. Coyle isn't a top 3 guy IMO. Cullen is still a 2nd line center but his forwards aren't. Lots of playoff games are won/lost by play of the 3rd lines. Huge difference in this series.

Koivu has absolutely brutal last night. His TO leads to shorty. Takes 3 penalties. Stark contrast between the "C"s on the ice last night...and Toews was average at best for him.

BTW America was founded/built way back in the day on establishing cities/towns next to rivers and waterways for obvious reasons. Fargo being built next to the Red wasn't a novel concept.

I agree that casting total blame is misguided and no one suggested that. But not including them as part of the problem is ignorant and enabling. There are many components to why there has been increased flooding over the years and their improved drainage practices are certainly a component.

Okposo wears an "A"for the Islanders...wow. Must be a real storage of character and leadership guys on that squad!!!

Really?? What are these "permanent" fixes you speak of within the city limits of Fargo??

There are other options to a diversion as have been mentioned in this thread. ALL those potential options involve some compromise by land owners along the Red. ALL these options have been shot down by land owners with the "not on my land " selfishness.

Ding ding ding...we have a winner! I grew up in rural central ND so I also know the "game" farmers use to their advantage with the subsidizes you mentioned above. Not saying some of them aren't needed but... It's become almost abusive if one really knows how to work the system.

Your last paragraph is paramount to getting any solution done. Unfortunately I don't see land owners along the Red getting aboard on any project to fix the flooding issue soon. Side note... Al Carlson is an idiot!

Sanford is already trying buy the new hospital in Jamestown...that didn't take long since it only opened it's doors a year ago.

Fetch's mind works in mysterious ways but I think I solved his "riddle". His "irrelevant" titles are just part of his overall main thought that he finishes in his first post of that thread. "Brilliant"!!

Watching Toews and Praise makes one wonder how we didn't get a Natty at some point. Toews is so skilled.

Harding has been solid.

Regardless of my profession, my neighborhood decided to forgo our "scenic view" and the "not on my land" attitude you have and had a dike put in our "back yards" a couple years ago for the betterment of all the homes in our neighborhood and the city of Fargo. We aren't going to see this eye to eye but if my home floods before any flood solution is reached I'll be sure to contact you to build my new mansion in your land. As far as golf, I can get around a course ok if you ever wanna throw some money around.

Flooding for 100 years...yup if you go by 18' as flood stage. BTW it wasn't '02 it was '01. So including 4 of last 5 years, '97 and '01 you have 6 of top 10 floods ever. The real flooding is within the last 16 years...not 100. 16 years of your kind continually draining your fields into the Red for your financial benefit at the expense of us living upstream in Fargo. So stop with the diversion chest thumping...you landowners/farmers are as much at fault with this flooding issue as anyone outside of mother nature! Continued water research from the Red in the Fargo area over the last number of years has shown a steady increase in farming chemicals consistent with the increasing drainage practices being performed on the land along the Red. It's a difficult issue with no easy answer but your opinions are typical of a landowner who is part of the issue.

Because of an occasional flood??? 4 of of the top 10 worst floods (ever) of the Red in Fargo will have come within the last 5 years ('09-'13). Sounds like a "now" problem vs. a "long time ago" problem...and I don't consider the past 5 years a long time ago.

Oh...so this about you. Reality check...over 130K+ people will have bigger issues than you losing some land if F-M floods like GF in '97 at some point. Again...a huge part of this increase flooding issue is that land owners/farmers downstream that have used technology to vastly improve the drainage of water off their land directly into the Red. That's not even debatable.

Pretty broad and ignorant post on a subject that's way more complex than what your limited view sheds light on. If your crystal ball would tell us how "high" permanent protection needs to be so Fargo never has to worry again that would be a good start. As Dan mentioned the NWS went from possibly 42-44' a couple weeks ago to 35.5' last night.

True confirmation comes from Tony's aunt though. BTW who is Tony's aunt and how did "she" come up this thread?? I just remember someone a while back posting/said that she could beat *someone* up.

Never been to a Cup playoff game before. Get to see Toews, Parise and we know Cullen. Priceless...hardly but will be fun if it works out.

My oldest daughter is playing in a soccer tournament in Blaine this weekend. If they don't get out of pool play, her and I will be buzzing over to the X to scalp some tickets on Sunday. Should be a win/win for us regardless.