homer

Well said Star. ++++++

With what I have witnessed from the NCAA if a non BCS school does not play by their rules they will go out of their way to make it hell for them. Yet they will bend their own rules for BCS schools and players. We are a pimple on the ass of the whole scheme of college athletics and not one of the big boys, the NCAA doesn't care if it pisses us off and as long as they are writing the checks there are a whole lot of schools who are going to go right along with their plan.

Good theory Star but in my mind if a deal was made than UND ends up in the Summit plain and simple. Those other conference either made it perfectly clear that they where not interested in expanding (MVFC) or did not have to deal with the nickname issue since the plan was already in place (BigSky). Once Gene Taylor first stated the Summit teams would not schedule UND due to the nickname and USD got accepted into the Summit than Douple insisted no visit would happen at UND until the nickname was resolved one way or the other he and the Summit where involved. I'm not giving a free pass but for as smart as you are making Kelly sound he had to have known if he didn't join the Summit this was all coming out.

Again, not saying it shouldn't have been printed but when there is no proof of what actually happened, what a person believes depends on who he believes. Kolpack printing the story could uncover a bunch of worms. Remember the night USD accepted the MVFC invite and Terry V. blogged about how if people knew the entire story of what actually went down that it would raise some eyebrows? I doubt he was just talking about a conversation between Kelly and Douple.

And its not a stretch to say there is some sour grapes by Douple and he's looking to save some face and to answer your question I, like most people consider facts something that can be proven. Its not uncommon for a person to stretch the truth to cover thier ass, ask your former president. Its clear there are no facts to back up what anyone is saying yet it makes a good story for the newspapers. I don't think this has anything to do with ndsu either but since there are no facts to go on with this story that can't be proven either. This whole story is based on who or what a person wants to believe.

Apparently in Fargo a story can be made with no facts and as long as it doesn't involve ndsu it is held as gospel.

I didn't know that Kelly or Faison could have forced Standing Rock to have a vote. Their lack of public support had nothing to do with them not voting. All "other" programs are a lot closer to being relevant now that the nickname issue is almost resolved one way or the other. Bottom line is when the agreement was made to drop the name UND had no conference and most of its sports teams where not elgible for post season elgibility for another 10 years. I don't care if you are John Wooden you are not recruiting any players to come play for you if you can't play in the post season. I wasn't throwing hockey under the bus I was stating the obvious that if "the financial engine of the athletic dept" was in the same situation of all other sports and was never going to be post season elgible dropping the nickname would have been done immediately. Stating that is not a reach at all. Oxbow, trust me I played with the name on front of my jersey and am sad to see it go but I also want our sports teams to get back to being competitive. It is more painful to me to see where our teams have fallen to than lose the nickname. Thats coming from a football alum. As long as the nickname issue was hanging over our head we where always going to be a looooooong way from being relevent. Like it or not the NCAA was going to make it a hurdle to high to overcome in sports where you are competing for recruits against more than 60 schools. Also, to answer the next question that comes up no one knows the Big Sky's stance on the nickname becasue they never had to deal with it. A decision was already made on the nickname before we got accepted.

Isnt' this the truth.

Professors at all universities have been sharing their views on all subjects that don't belong in the classrooms for years. This list also includes politics and maybe religious views which also have no place in classrooms. This is not going to change however no matter how much you wish it wasn't there. As far as Hakstol and Roebuck they are in completely different situations and you should understand that. The first calls a lot of former players made was to the coaches of their specific programs. In a way they where a lot more the voice of the alumni than the AD who's job it is to look at the effect on the entire athletic dept., not just one piece of it. Hakstol could care less how much changing the name affected the football team. Mussman could care less how much changing the name affected the golf team. Each coach has a job to do and that is win, if they don't win it really won't matter what the nickname is. They also have to answer questions when they have a gathering of alumni and are asking for money to support their programs. I'm guessing there would have been a lot of pissed off hockey alumni when they meet in Las Vegas if Hak didn't give his opinion. And by Roebuk giving his opinion it wasn't going to matter, he didn't have final say in joining a conference. If the AD says he loves the name but than votes to drop it so teams can get into a autobid conference he looks a lot more foolish than he would if he just avoids the question all together. Darrell I know you understand that a coach and an AD are in two different categories when it comes to this.

Personally I am sure he supports the name. The difficulty it has created for his day to day activities he probably isn't sad to see it go. Therefore he has no opinion. I don't think it is chicken !@#$ at all for him not to answer the question. His opinion will only cause an discussion either way. His opinion is not going to suddenly change anything. Its called being professional and not letting emotion get in the way.

I don't think a professional answer when you are under oath would be "Hell no". If the meeting this morning would have taken place at the Comfort Inn in north Bismarck than possibly answering this way would have been ok. When every news paper and news outlet in the state is there you do have to keep your answer professional. Bin said it best earlier when he said the Summit's stance was made perfectly clear by Gene Taylor way, way before this all came up. Douple only solidified that stance as he came out a number of times and said how the nickname issue was affecting membership and scheduling. Any pressure put on by UND would have also had to have been placed on the presidents and AD's of other schools in the conference as well. Why didn't Kolpack ask any of them?

After the last 4 years I would love to see this. It would be a tough but competition makes a program better and I would love to see the it.

Can't argue with that Herd. This will probably be the topic of pissing matches for the next year or longer.

Its continuing because ndsu fans continue to come on here and try to talk down the Big Sky. You guys are now seeing that its going to pay off in recruiting and also seeing that UND fans and administration are truely happy being in the conference. All I heard about after the Montana St. game was how great the Bobcat fans where and how beautiful the stadium setting was. Thats probably the 4th or 5th best setting for a stadium in the confernce. Eastern Washington it was the Red turf and now another Big Sky team in the nat'l championship game. ndsu fans are now realizing what the conference has to offer and have actually backed up what UND fans have been saying since the Big Sky asked us to join. Thats why it won't die Danno is cause fans like you won't let it die. We are very happy to be in the BSC and thanks again for your interest in Fighting Sioux athletics.

I don't disagree but these kids are competing in athletics, not going to war. With broadcast capabilities on tv, over the web and a radio broadcast available no matter where someone is at playing at a distance away from their families not as big of a deal as it used to be. Also, recruiting areas are constantly expanding. NDSU is recruiting Arizona pretty heavily now. With UND now in a conference and nearing post season elgibility we will start to grab more and more recruits that used to be a lock for ndsu. Already seeing that this year. I think ndsu is very comfortable in the MVFC/Summit and has a long term vision of Valley for all sports. I am happy with where UND is at right now and the schools we have aligned ourselves with. The distinations are something some kids may see as desireable and the school and program are being introduced into the largest and fastest growing population base in the country. I think both schools are where they want to be and neither will be looking to make a change anytime soon.

Herd I don't disagree with you one bit as the MVFC/Summit is a nice set up but here a question as I hear USD come up all the time. Did USD make a decision or was a decision made for USD by higher ups?

My argument wasn't whether or not Innovis or Sanford is better. I don't know. It was that Sanford wanted more "than to just be involved in the community" and ndsu was going to do whatever it took to get a very sizeable donation. It worked out for both parties. Thats all I was saying.

A parnership of over 25 years that was dropped without any back and forth communication by ndsu. Just a phone call by Gene saying your out. I'm not going to judge if thats good business or not but you can't brush it off as it was nothing. Its not like ndsu got the money no strings attached. Nice try though.

Scheels and NDSU work very closely with promotions throughout the year. I think the Friday pep rally's before football games is a good idea that builds some excitement for the games, especially for kids, and draws a crowd to Scheels. This donation in my mind is long overdue.

Danno, read my post. I didn't say anything even close to what you claim. Actually I said both universities could potentially benefit but said that not every person who profits will give money. Do I need to repost it or have someone read it to you? The amount of money changing hands out there daily is crazy and believe it or not some people who are getting wealthier are already boosters at either school. Do you think its a stretch to believe that they may give more money now? Maybe you should reread my post before you start calling me out.

Good job, you named two towns with a very small percentage of population of where the oil activity is. How about the owner of the Trappers Inn in Belfield, has people staying there who drive 2+ hours to work everyday. Or any electrician out west, or concrete worker. Ever been through the McDonalds in Williston? Car dealerships? There is more to the oil money than just the people receiving royalty checks and more area than the couple handful of businesses in Parshall or New town. I can name a couple handful of businesses from Fargo alone that filled there work schedules for the year doing excavating, utility placement, home building etc. out in the oil field. I'm not in the camp that every person who makes money out there is going to give to a university or even spend it. But with how much money is spent out there every day some of it is going to find its way into the hands of someone who gives to either university. And for the few businesses that have closed in New Town or Parshall there are more that have opened in Dickinson, Williston, Minot, Stanley etc. Main Streets closing in small town ND is the norm, not the exception to the oil patch.

Your way off base here. Have you been out west and talked to all the business owners, whether its a restraunt owner, appliance store, or electrical company there are a ton of money making money on this oil. Some of these people have had years that are off the charts and are the envy of store owners across the country, all due to oil activity. And yes, a lot of those people where giving money before and are giving now.

I know this one is true. Also Cal Poly and USD. Sioux falls is still on the schedule as well and another NAIA. They are trying to get that one replaced and I don't know who the sixth game is against. If we could just add two FCS at home, even if we kept one NAIA the home schedule would be alright. The road schedule will be brutal with SUU and Davis. Add Idaho and Fresno St.

I'm hoping its because they are actively looking to replace a few of the home games.

Well it looks like TCU has accepted the Big East invite for all sports. More shuffling around out west will now happen and the WAC is still a mess.