OgieOgilthorpe

That’s interesting. They could, and they should. They need to start making some moves, fast.

Everything you listed is great for the business infrastructure of Grand Forks, but nearly every example provides no new jobs. Ironhide is getting a new facility that's actually in a much less convenient location but gives them the much needed space they require (no new job creation). Simplot expansion is just a larger 100% mechanically crane operated freezer to eliminate the costs of sending frozen product across town to Hennison CS, which will now probably put Hennison out of business and will actually probably cause people to lose their jobs. Is the new CHS plant a completely new business in the area, or is it just an upgraded building? I hope it is a new business in the area because that would actually create some new jobs...if it's just an upgrade then I'm assuming employee numbers will stay flat. The tiny strip mall way way south on South Washington? I suppose that could add a few new businesses and in turn some new jobs, but with the other strip mall on the East side of Washinton where the Crary building already struggling, I'm wondering what the thought process was behind that? Bully Brew shut down, Snap fitness is probably hanging by a thread, I've heard Helix and that Jewelry store are both also on their last legs, and probably the only other shop in that mall is the powerplate meals which I've also heard isn't doing so hot. Judging by the failure of that strip mall, I'm assuming this new smaller strip mall will just be a new HQ for some small insurance agencies and businesses similar to that. It is great to hear about that new facility moving in on N 39th street though, because that should be a larger facility, and is brand new to the area so it should be creating some good jobs. Anyone have any idea about how many jobs it could create? With the amazing automation engineering advances we're seeing, the Grand Forks economy is going to change from a slow downward lean to a nose dive if they continue to lean on Industrial businesses to drive their economy. There really needs to be some major tax intensives offered out for newer or expanding tech companies, energy companies and I hate to say it but maybe even cannabis companies looking to put down some roots or relocate. GF should be seeking these businesses out, because naturally none of them are even going to be considering cities in ND to HQ in, and if they do we all know it will be Fargo or Bismarck over GF.

Absolutely. But in my head, I always pictured GF as a city with many more business folk who would tend to fly more often. On top of that I always picture the in-stream of flyers coming down from the city of 750,000 people only 2 hours north. So between those two thoughts, and GF being larger than Minot, I was surprised to see that the MOT airport had more passengers.

Having a mayor for that long of a period seems risky. With the current state of the Grand Forks economy compared to other local sister cities, I think it's time for him to go. Grand Forks needs some new blood with some fresh ideas. Time to mix it up a little.

Yikes...the future is looking very bleak for GFK.

I wasn't too surprised by this list, other than MOT out gunning GFK slightly and Williston being so much higher than Dickinson. I understand the oil traffic, but wow.

Even Devils Lake and Jamestown have the Denver flight. Dirt cheap to boot

Not to beat a dead horse on the Alerus Center, but I just read today that it lost 3.7 Million last year? I thought things had turned around with it when Spectra took over? As I dug into it, nearly all publicly owned event centers lose money...with of course the exception of the mighty Fargo Dome that bleeds money.

Brownville?

Yes I'm very interested to see the census. Hopefully it shows a little better results than we're thinking

https://www.inforum.com/news/3974446-ROBIN-HUEBNER-REPORTS-Fargo-Parks-Sanford-to-partner-in-major-southside-sports-complex Misery Loves Company As the finer folks of Minot flock to Bismarck and Fargo, I have a hunch the bleeding of population from Grand Forks to Fargo has only been worse and will undoubtedly keep getting worse with each one of these new developments in the F/M. Is Fargo in the works to start passing Grand Forks in the only competitive (downright dominant) sport they have left? We've been seeing the creep with Davies, and unfortunately I think it's only a matter of time before one of the WF schools starts to pull away as well. In ten years will class A only consist of state titles won by Bis or Fargo schools? It's pretty dang close to that as it is. Crazy to think that 15 years ago(or less) Minot, GF, Bis and Fargo were all relatively similar in size and HS talent. Final note- It's almost disappointing that Minot and GF are building new health care facilities, because that pretty much crushes any hopes of a Sanford buyout. It would be nice to have a reliable and solidified health care system to set a stronghold pillar of the community unlike Altru and Trinity. I think Rydell and Simplot have probably actually done a better job than Altru in Grand Forks. Minot doesn't really have much else to fall back on other than some of the oil companies who chip in here and there.

That's a gross placement for Jamestown...Wow. I'd put Dickinson, Williston, Devils Lake, and a few others before Jamestown

Pretty surprising how well the O-Line played. Hopefully they can control the line of scrimmage like that again against Moo U.

Any updates on Harris?

New thread title please! Sioux Volley vs Sioux>Bison

https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/Grand-Forks-named-worst-city-to-live-in-in-North-Dakota-by-Wall-Street-Journal-509923011.html I'm sure everyone already saw this shared all over social media. It's pretty anecdotal information to base city "likeability" or "liveability" off of, but not surprisingly KVLY was all over it.

I'd put it around 15% at most, but we'll have a much better idea after the 1st week

To be honest he likely would've been drafted with any other FCS OC other than Rudy.

Very great points all around. I'd only argue the point that Bis/Man and Minot growth is solely due to rural to urban cannibalization though. I'd agree that's a good chunk of it, but the majority of Minot's growth has clearly been from the oil field expansions. Minot has been able to sustain more people after the slowdown than Williston, Dickinson and Watford City have been able to just due to the infrastructure and other job opportunities available. Bis/Man has a very surprising mix of large successful companies in several different types of industries that have been growing at a fast pace which has been attracting a lot of out of staters. Power, tech, construction, government, agriculture and higher education. Look at BCS 10 years ago vs today, it's unbelievable what a small trade school like that has been able to transform into. On top of that, having a fortune 500 HQ and several other companies going through expansion after expansion has led to bringing in a lot of new citizens. With that said, I do actually think the vast majority of the slow but steady growth that GF is seeing is probably exactly that. But not Bis or Minot

Oh really? I believe that was the revival project that I was referring to. That's too bad It must've got voted down or something?

I don't even want to think about it because it would be unbelievably bad.

I know Bismarck is doing an unbelievable over-haul to their downtown area over a 4-5 year span. It sounds like Grand Forks is making the effort and is doing something similar but maybe on a smaller scale.

What is GOBC?

Yes Grand Forks lost out on some exponential growth by losing 5,000+ citizens from 97 to 99. That chink in the chain, and several steps back has had a very long term effect on the growth for sure. The silver lining to some of these catastrophic floods/events is that some of the much needed updates are forced to be done, and forces a lot of new construction and face lifts. I think Grand Forks did 4x the job that Minot has done with recovery and rebound in terms of aesthetics.

How long has the current mayor held that position, and when was the last vote? It appears like some new blood with some new ideas is much needed there. Probably not as much as the mess Minot has going on but oil will always bring in bodies no matter how badly things are planned out and set up. I think the potential for some pretty substantial growth is still possible in GF in the near future. It's unfortunate that it appears it's already missed out on quite a bit of it however. One positive "city" project that I know of is that high rise apartment complex going up downtown that I saw. Also a new grocery store DT? I think that's a great idea for keeping foot traffic up and keeping people in rentals DT. Anything else like that happening?