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So from this data, the main takeaways that I can see are--- 1. ND is dominating the population growth/movement in this quad-state region by showing 5 of the top 6 on this list. 2. Of the 6 largest ND MSAs , it appears that Grand Forks is the only one that can't gain traction compared to it's peers. (Wahp, J-town, DL, VC are a large step down from the main 6 hubs in ND in my opinon). 3. Oil and geographical location mostly explain it all for me, but the stunted growth of GF is still curious.

Thanks for the data!

I wonder how much that would pay?

Definitely didn't help his chances. His return game looked strong so I'm hoping that's his saving grace. Having that skill set, along with giving their RB corps AND WR corps some depth should give him a decent shot.

WOW sorry for the error on this. GF's population growth in that time was actually only about 5,000 not 8,000. So that means since 2010, Mandan has seen a larger population growth than GF while being half the size. Does that surprise anyone as much as it does me?

I'd argue Atlru takes that crown with Trinity close behind

That's a little exaggerated. There are many regions around the country that are seeing growth far beyond what we're seeing in B/M and F/M areas. The F/M area just barely cracks the top 20 in the US so I'm assuming GF isn't even near the top 250...but I get your point. There are many many regions where GF would be the shining star still. So GF is mainly missing out on the growth due to not being the capital like Biz, not being on the far edge of the oil boom like Minot and little bit of Biz, and just isn't named Fargo who is a little closer to MNPLS to feed off of. For the record, I think it's comical listening to F/M residents speak of their city like it's a giant metro. And when they talk about MNPLS it's like they bow down to them as the megacity of the world. I rarely have the heart to explain to them how small Fargo actually is when you step back and look at the US. They'll be lucky to pass West Valley City for the 199th largest city in the US. Ever heard of it? No? Well, then no one else outside of the upper mid west has ever heard of Fargo either.

Thank you for all the updates on the UND campus. That's very encouraging for me to see and hear about and has changed my view quite a bit on the current state of the University.

Are a lot of older buildings coming down to make room for these? I can't picture many places for campus to expand, so I'm assuming it's out with the old and in with the new mostly?

There's nothing negative about slow and steady. If GF could keep up this pace that would be great. I'm sure you're aware of the problems uncontrolled populations can cause for communities based off of what happened in Williston, Dickinson and Minot. It's not good. I'm honestly just mainly curious what has made GF miss out on these larger population increases we're seeing all around them? They're seeing growth yes, which is great, but for comparison since 2010 smaller Minot has grown roughly 12,000 people (14,000 at one point), Bismarck has grown roughly 20,000 people (not to mention Mandan's 7,000 or Lincoln's 2,000), Fargo has grown 35,000 people (not to mention WF's 20,000 or moorhead's 5,000) and GF has only seen about 8,000 (with virtually no growth in EGF or Thompson). Seemed alarming to me that Bismarck's ugly little brother has seen the same growth as the entire GF metro.

Outside a few of those biggest projects I didn't realize there were that many other new buildings being developed so that's great to hear.

Who ever said people are leaving in droves? They aren't and no one said that. Grand Forks' population can be seen more as stagnant than as booming, but yes if you look, GF is seeing a small and steady population growth, which is great! It just doesn't stack up with the 2 of the 3 comparable cities in the state. Also, side note-- New apartment complexes going up is a combination of new people moving to town BUT even more so about turnover of older buildings. Older crippling complexes are being taken down so people shift to the next best.

And most people do think of hockey when they think of UND. And unfortunately the next two recent things that will come to mind will be the Kennedy drama and sports being cut.

My comment of the 2 cornerstone organizations failing was mostly directed at Altru instead of UND. But with UND there is an argument there: Enrollment is down, sports are being cut, President controversy, split fan base on the mascot, underpaid administrative employees, funding concerns, Ray Richards debacle, debatably the worst season for all athletics in the past decade led by a the one used-to-be strong hold of hockey. Putting pride aside, I'd say it's a fair assessment to say that UND has gone down a pretty rough patch recently.

Absolutely they are! But with other very comparable facilities popping up in the State, why is it that the Altru facility is so much more unimpressive? If you showed me Fargo Sanford, Minot Trinity and GF Altru I would've guessed Altru's facility would be less than half the cost of Trinity's.

With failing corner stone organizations like Altru and UND, I think GF/EGF will continue to stay pretty stagnant while F/M and Bis/Man continue to boom. Minot will only fluctuate with fake populations deriving from oil activity, but if drilling continues to head east, and oil prices go up again, Minot will surely pass GF as well. Minot has the infrastructure to support those gains, mostly because they're already not far off. Infrastructure in Dickinson and Williston has come along way, but would need to double once again to get in the 60k supportive range so they won't pass GF for a very long time, if ever. WF will surely pass GF no problem within the next decade. The entire NE part of the state is struggling. Check out the ND city population list of every town listed over 1,000 people. Pretty much any town listed with a population decline is in the NE part of the state outside of small hand-full. Cities showing substantial population increases are all found everywhere around ND BESIDES the NE part of the state.

$305 Million for that? Not to be NegaTron, but that building and campus seem small, cluttered and unimpressive. I'm hoping the poor video quality, constant panning, and weird animated humans distracted from the true quality looks of what the building will look like. Anyone else think that video was odd and frustrating? Just show me a quick 360 view of the building! Why is there more focus on the moving people, cars and strange random artsy camera angles than just showing the damn building? From what I could tell, the building honestly looks similar to the unappealing cluttered mess that Altru has going on right now. I wish a truly strong and well run healthcare system could've taken over GF during their dark times these past few years after the collapse. Check out the design plan for the new Trinity facility going up in Minot. Now THAT looks like an impressive and exciting facility! Worse yet, compare to the new Sanford facility in Fargo (it hurts to say that). Altru is just a perfect fit for last place and they never seem to know how to change that. Disappointing for the GF folks I'm sure!

Do you know what day this week?

So....what's with the mystery? Who the hell is it?

Hopefully this veteran OL just makes all the RBs look much better than they are. With a dominant OL and smart play calling, you could run the ball with your 4th string TE and have success.

That's great to hear about Harris!

Anyone else have any updates on how camp is going?

Wow how the tables have turned. Just last year it appeared the RB stable was busting at the seams, now they lose 4 good players due to graduation and to being dumbasses and here we are with no depth, 100% susceptible to injuries again. Which will absolutely happen at the RB position. Mckinney and JJ will be the prime backs when healthy, but in reality, we'll be seeing a lot of the 3rd and 4th backs as well, and I'm not too confident about that anymore. Constant let downs with this team.

Overall in the USA, yes absolutely hockey is "minor league" but you have to be delusional to think hockey isn't the #1 covered, talked about and played sport in the GF surrounding area and NW MN...BY FAR. Yes, most of the class B towns around GF only have BBall for a winter sport, so HS BBall is the #1 in those communities for High School sports..but that's it. Overall, from Devils Lake, up to Winnipeg, to Bemidji...it's an area easily dominated by a hockey following at all levels. And always has been. Do me a favor and go check out how other HS winter sports fair in GF, Bemidji, TRF, Warroad and Roseau. Then do me a favor and ask which college sports teams all their parents follow.

THANK YOU! It's not a problem of which sports are getting too much coverage, it's a problem of the paper now being run out of the wrong city. The city of GF and surrounding areas are no longer top priority of coverage. Fargo is aware of the delayed sport's news and could probably fix it but they don't care enough to make it happen. It's almost if they're working on getting the GF community to turn their backs on the paper so they can have a legitimate excuse to shut it down. Follow the GF Herald on Twitter and try not to laugh. Easily every other story is about Fargo or NDSU stories. Irish is exactly right, it's now the Fargo Herald, and it's a joke. No one in Grand Forks, Grafton or Devils Lake cares about MNPLS daily news, leave that crap for the birds in Fargo who envy Minnesota and crave recognition from their big sister.