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It's been answered (correctly) twice so far, but I'll do it a different way: Century Club membership became required.

I just ran the numbers for the various levels of FSC and what you pay "per seat" if you buy the maximum number of hockey tickets each level of membership lets you buy. For example: Coaches Club: $1100 + (2 full price @ $345) + (2 reduced price @ 3/4 of $345) = $2307.5 or $576.88 per seat. Here are the numbers per seat for each level (level fee, full price tickets, reduced price tickets, number of parking passes included): Diamond: $1218.54 ($11000, 6, 6, 3) Emerald: $760.21 ($5500, 6, 6, 3) Directors: $645.63 ($2750, 4, 4, 2) Coaches: $576.88 ($1100, 2, 2, 1) Captains: $675.00 ($660, 2, 0, 0) Varsity: $510.00 ($330, 2, 0, 0) Century: $400.00 ($110, 2, 0, 0) I looked at Club Room Seating this summer. If I remember correctly, it was $1350.00 ... per seat. EDIT: Added in level fee costs to table.

InsideCollegeHockey.com's thoughts: http://www.insidecollegehockey.com/7Archiv...ockout_0301.htm

You mean a school scheduled an athletic program based on what would be best for that program in terms of a post-season formula?

Let's flip this around: What do you tell folks who paid serious bucks for club seating who can't even get from their seat to the bar during a period break? Alternatively, I hope they thought this one through regarding the folks that sit behind the Sioux bench (levels above Coaches Club).

I was looking at the wrong thing when I spoke the first time. They do have a level designation on them.

I'd say someone else read their UND pocket all-sports schedule. Brag away!

I am holding a document and as I read through it here are the non-probationary Division I schools that appear in the document. (Blank lines refer to new pages/sections of the document): U of Minnesota Roy Briak Invite Maine Minnesota Northeastern Boston College Wisconsin Canisius Denver Wisconsin Minnesota Ohio State Connecticut Wisconsin Quinnipiac Ohio State Vermont Wisconsin Minnesota Minnesota Air Force Wisconsin - Green Bay Minnesota Notre Dame Minnesota and U of Iowa Minnesota Challenge The first to specifically name the document (be specific) wins .... bragging rights to being right, and nothing more.

A Wild wing huh? A Panther prowls my neck of the woods.

A new 6000 seat arena at Gonzaga cost them $23 MM. Comparable enough? Let me say this again: Why build The Betty larger? Look at the easy scaling available to UND: 3500-4000 seats - The Betty 5000-6000 seats - The Ralph (lower bowl and suites) 8000-9000 seats - The Alerus Center (BB config.) 10000-13000 seats - The Ralph (full house) star2city makes an excellent point in using that difference in dollars to work on other facilities needs (Olympic sports, baseball, more training space). PS - I'll say it again: Gonzaga's BB program has played in a 4000 seat arena up to this point. Sounds just like the size of The Betty to me and Gonzaga doesn't have options like The Al and The Ralph.

The difference between the situations? The season ticket holder sections of The Ralph are sold out plus it's a high-interest student event (sections normally full). There are football season tickets still available in 201-209, the season ticket holder sections, at The Al; plus, there is still space (normally) available in the student section. As mentioned, it's supply and demand: Worry about that $5 when the student and season ticket sections at The Al are jammed for a full season or two. Until then let the students go at no charge (other than the student fees) and enjoy the game and boost the attendance numbers in the process.

Permanent seats = no more indoor track facility. Gotta think these things through.

star2city said: Put head-to-head with 9000 in the seats, it gets to be a pretty tough call. EDIT: I see star2city has clarified.

No, the blue dots are just old land grants. "Flagship" can mean whatever the author wants it to mean at the time. USA Today picked theirs. PS - I'm pretty sure "land grant" doesn't mean much to a newspaper that seems to focus primarily on two kinds of schools: Ivy League and all the rest.

"If a school falls to far behind, in terms of facilities and quality of teams they risk losing far more than if they spent money up front and still incurred annual loses." Exactly. Hence the "arms race" of building facilities: You have to keep building more and better just to stay in the race. If you don't have the facilities you're not even in the race. Hence the statement: On a lighter note, Geiger making that statement echos of the Soviets (with their past massive arsenal) talking about the nuclear arms race.

"So, what you saying is that they have to spend the money just to keep from losing it???" -- bigmrg74 No, quite the opposite. They spent the money and hope to get it back (to pay off the bonds). They had to spend the money to save the stadium, to keep their 'weapon' in the "arms race" but they spent it in a way such that they'd have a chance at recouping it. Would REA have made sense for UND if they would have built it for themself? No. Does UND have a major 'weapon' in the "arms race" (for hockey, volleyball, and basketball) now that they have the REA complex (meaning The Ralph, The Betty, The Olympic Rink, and the included training facilities)? Yes.

This Geiger quote comes from the same NCAA news story: But remember the findings of that report: A dollar spent means a dollar gained: They're at a net wash. If it's a budgetary wash, why do it? Because of the need for the facility. Why do they need the facility?

Questions: - What if a $10 MM annual budget school was able, somehow, to have facilities comparable to a school with an $80 MM annual budget? Would they be in the race? As the logical follow-on: - Do people know the annual budgets of schools or do they know about the facilities they see on campus or television? If athletics is the "front porch" of the university as some have purported, that porch should have some sturdy construction, pretty rails, and new paint. And some good sturdy rockin' chairs on it wouldn't hurt either. Facilities are a major portion of the collegiate "arms race".

Are they looking at state flagship schools as being the ones that produce doctors and lawyers as well as undergraduates?

It's not the system Massey uses, but it's the one that seems to have the best track record of predicting probable outcomes. http://siouxsports.com/hockey/rankings/help/krach.htm

Whoa-whoa-whoa, hold on. Up to this point it's all guessing, rumor, and speculation. Let's let them introduce and implement the new policy (if there is one) and then rip them for it.

Yup, they are. There's a good reason why too: Geiger says the race isn't what you spend on athletics per year, but in facilities. And that's coming from the man with the highest annual department (expense) budget in the NCAA.

That seems to gel with the results of an NCAA study released on August 18, 2003. From the NCAA News report on the study: I find No. 10 rather interesting: The real race is in terms of 'capital expenditures', commonly called facilities.

Here is why I only "group" teams early on: Suter leaving Wisconsin for Nashville That will probably move Wisconsin out of my "top" group. (They really only have two experienced defensemen, Gilbert and Likens, now.) Bernd Bruckler can't be happy about this. Duluth returns more conference scoring than UND. I think the loss of Geisler and Hardwick on the blueline (defensively and leadership) is what they'll feel more than the loss of Lessard.