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I considered getting a handgun right after Dru Sjodin was kidnapped. I had gone as far as going to Cabela's and looking at them and asking questions about owning one. I thought about it for a while, then decided against it. My thoughts turned to my childrens safety. How could I make sure that they would NEVER get a hold of it. I just couldnt chance it.

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There is no guarantee that the bolded statement is true. No one knows how they would react when being shot at, even if they have gone through gun safety training. You would need much greater training, similar to law enforcement or the armed forces, to really know how to handle the situation. It is possible that a person making a move for a weapon would have been one of the first people shot. Or someone that has a weapon but is not well versed in handling it could do more damage of their own. Someone with a concealed weapon could have changed the situation but we will never know how. So far I have not heard a good solution to this situation.

I agree. The argument of if there was a security guard there it would have been lower too also holds the same amount of water. I just think that the guard would have died first instead of what happened. Of course, that one bullet in the guard means one less VT student...

I want to know this:

WHY THE HELL is the media trying to build some sort of understanding and, from it, some kind of sympathy for the shooter? I could give a DAMN about this guy. I just hope they hide this guy's grave site or fence it to prevent people desecrating it on a daily basis.

No sympathy. Throw his ass into a shark tank and let the sharks have a feast. Or maybe Piranhas. No. We don't want any more deaths, even if they are sharks or fish. Food poisoning, you know, as he probably tastes like sh!$.

I don't know. Stop wasting time on a former member of the World's refuse and start focusing on the 33 others or so that didn't deserve to die.

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I agree. The argument of if there was a security guard there it would have been lower too also holds the same amount of water. I just think that the guard would have died first instead of what happened. Of course, that one bullet in the guard means one less VT student...

I want to know this:

WHY THE HELL is the media trying to build some sort of understanding and, from it, some kind of sympathy for the shooter? I could give a DAMN about this guy. I just hope they hide this guy's grave site or fence it to prevent people desecrating it on a daily basis.

No sympathy. Throw his ass into a shark tank and let the sharks have a feast. Or maybe Piranhas. No. We don't want any more deaths, even if they are sharks or fish. Food poisoning, you know, as he probably tastes like sh!$.

I don't know. Stop wasting time on a former member of the World's refuse and start focusing on the 33 others or so that didn't deserve to die.

I actually agree with you on this. I was reading an article at www.cnn.com about a guy whose friend was killed, and he said that he thought the killer shouldn't be getting very much attention. He also said he's trying to get as much air time and interviews with anyone as possible because "every minute I get is one less minute he gets." Good for him. I believe the 32 victims of this guy should be honored way more than they are. Hopefully the media figures this out soon, for everyone's sake.

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He also said he's trying to get as much air time and interviews with anyone as possible because "every minute I get is one less minute he gets."

Every minute he gets, the murderer gets two. You can't separate the victims from the murderer. They're tied together for all eternity.

I think that RW77 is sick of the stories that appear to be portraying the murderer as a victim.

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Two very insightful columns on the evil that visited itself on Virginia Tech focus on the PC sickness of college faculties:

Madness at Virginia Tech

The authorities at Virginia Tech did their own version of this urban shuffle in their handling of Cho Seung-Hui. It's obviously much easier to realize that someone is dangerously deranged after he has killed 32 people than when dealing with uncertain knowledge in an environment where any wrong (or even correct) move means a lawsuit. But Virginia Tech often tiptoed around Cho's mental disturbance.

When his "poetry" was read aloud in a class, it was so terrifying that at the next meeting of the class only seven of 70 students showed up.

Behind some of the plaints of Virginia Tech staff that nothing could be done about Cho, you can hear the undercurrent: Who were we to judge? Of course, if he had occasionally uttered racial slurs rather than frightening those around him with bizarre behavior, the full apparatus of administrative power at Virginia Tech would have been brought down on him.

Was Cho taught to hate?

Was his pathology enabled by the PC university? Or to ask the question differently --- was Cho ever taught to respect others, to admire the good things about his host country, and to discipline himself to build a positive life?

And that answer is readily available on the websites of Cho's English Department at Virginia Tech. This is a wonder world of PC weirdness. English studies at VT are a post-modern Disney World in which nihilism, moral and sexual boundary breaking, and fantasies of Marxist revolutionary violence are celebrated. They show up in a lot of faculty writing. Not by all the faculty, but probably by more than half.

What's the English Department's official frontpage reaction to the murder of thirty-two students just a few days ago? Here it is.

"We do not understand this tragedy .... We know we did nothing to deserve it

But neither does a child in Africa ... Dying of AIDS

Neither does the baby elephant watching his community ... Be devastated for ivory

... Neither does the Mexican child looking ... For fresh water

... Neither does the Appalachian infant killed ... By a boulder

Dislodged .... Because the land was destabilized"

In other words: We didn't do nuthin.' It ain't our fault. It's greedy capitalism's fault. We don't teach civilized behavior, the value of reason, the cultural foundations of Western thought. We teach adolescent rage, because that's how we make a living. We do narcissistic "research" in Marxist analysis of American brutal capitalism. We're good people. See how much we care about AIDS in Africa. Don't blame us. We ain't responsible.

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If you happened to see this speech live, it was very rousing a very emotional, IMO may be the turning point in the grieving process at VT. I think you need to read the entire poem to understand how it was meant to be understood.

Forgive me, Mikeypat15, but if that poem is a basis for "healing", there won't be any. It may have been emotional, but it was pure nihilism - life has no purpose - and that every event has no cause and has no intentional effect for a greater purpose, and there is no evil that stalks mankind.

If people want to be healed of pain, it takes more than that type garbage philosophy to get there. What's even more tragic is that this empty philosophy controls our universities.

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Every minute he gets, the murderer gets two. You can't separate the victims from the murderer. They're tied together for all eternity.

I think that RW77 is sick of the stories that appear to be portraying the murderer as a victim.

I think you are right, Sioux-cia.

Cho was a nutjob. Every time I read or hear his name I have a strong urge to spit at the source of it. All this attention is just giving those who think that they too are victims "just like Cho was" more ammo to use for the next shooting.

The day after the shootings we had: One CNN story about some guy who was threatening another school with violence, half of the Minnesota campus shut down by a bomb threat, a part of NDSU shut down because some idiot forgot his duffle bag at the bus stop...

There are freaks out there and the trick to handling them is finding some way to do so that doesn't seem too discriminatory. But the LAST thing you want to do is to do ANYTHING that could possibly be seen as a sort of reinforcement of such behavior, such as giving Cho all that air time. And, no, it's not just violence. We see that kind of thing with the Anna Nicole Smith stuff as well. When Anna Nicole Smith's death is more heavily covered than the death of someone more worthy (like Gerald Ford by comparison)... When Cho is coverred more than the victims (Or basically "Such a tragedy. We feel so bad for the victims of the shooting, but why did Cho do this? Is he really to blame?") it creates a possible reinforcement to the freakish behavior. Right now I'm sure there is some messed up dude saying "Cho knew what I was going through. I should do the same so people finally understand what it is to hurt like I do." Cho isn't a victim. He's a psychopathic killer. He's only different from Charles Manson in that Manson had some charisma.

Just thinking of Cho makes me livid. But I do wish he was still alive. He'd be a great poster child for bringing back cruel and unusual punishment.

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I don't think anyone is to blame for this tragedy except Cho. They can sit and stew and wonder 'what could we have done differently' to prevent what happened. You can't sit and say what if I did this or what if we had gotten him help when he wrote something violent in English class. You never know exactly what the person next to you is thinking. You can't see when they are going to fly off the handle and murder innocent people.

Teach your kids to respect others no matter what their income, race, sexual orientation, religion, eye color. Teach them to respect life. That's all you can do.

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I don't think anyone is to blame for this tragedy except Cho.

Cho is responsible, but there are many many people, if they had any discernment, compassion, or concern for others would have either been praying for him, lovingly confronting him, bring charges against him, or turn him into authorities. Classmates that heard of the shooting immediately thought of Cho. A judge had already declared him "an imminent danger to himself" but authorities let him go back to school. He stalked two women, both of whom refused to press charges because they did not want the hassles. IMO what Virginia Tech and the state of Virginia allowed is not much different than what the state of Minnesota did with Alfonso Rodriquez.

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Cho isn't a victim. He's a psychopathic killer. He's only different from Charles Manson in that Manson had some charisma.

Just thinking of Cho makes me livid. But I do wish he was still alive. He'd be a great poster child for bringing back cruel and unusual punishment.

There are other explanations if you have a spiritual understanding:

Virginia Tech Killer Cho Seung-Hui

Charlotte Observer

Fox News: What made hime do it?

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There are other explanations if you have a spiritual understanding:

Virginia Tech Killer Cho Seung-Hui

Charlotte Observer

Fox News: What made hime do it?

Thanks for the alternative perspective. Don't really care though. He's a monster. I don't care what made him do it. All that matters is that he did.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cho was deemed a black eye to the Asian American community.

According to KFAN, Cho's parents were considering moving back to Korea but even Korea doesn't want them back. THAT fact is sad. Harming or harrassing Cho's parents isn't going to prove anything. They didn't kill 33 people. They didn't encourage Cho's behavior, to my knowledge. Leave them out of it.

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Thanks for the alternative perspective. Don't really care though. He's a monster. I don't care what made him do it. All that matters is that he did.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cho was deemed a black eye to the Asian American community.

According to KFAN, Cho's parents were considering moving back to Korea but even Korea doesn't want them back. THAT fact is sad. Harming or harrassing Cho's parents isn't going to prove anything. They didn't kill 33 people. They didn't encourage Cho's behavior, to my knowledge. Leave them out of it.

If you dont care what made him do it, then how do you expect to prevent it in the future??? :D

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