why can't the other guys score ?

[Siouxman]

Saturday night when St. Cloud beat the Gophers, almost all of their scoring was from people who don't score much. One goal was the player's second of the year, one was the player's third, one was the player's fourth, and one was the player's sixth. It was the empty netter at the end that was scored by one of their top scorers.

I know that the Sioux have had games where the D-men and non-DOT lines have led the scoring, but that has been a few games ago.

As for the 10-second shift comments, that is ridiculous. The second and third lines have had plenty of ice time. In a number of cases, the #2 PP group has been out on the PP first. They are getting ice time. The fourth line gets the short end of the stick most of the time, but it depends upon penalties and what the other team is doing.

[Sioux18]

As for the 10-second shift comments, that is ridiculous. The second and third lines have had plenty of ice time. In a number of cases, the #2 PP group has been out on the PP first. They are getting ice time.

This is often the case when the DOT line draws the penalty (which they do quite a bit). The #2 unit takes the first half of the PP while the #1s head to the bench and wait their turn.

BTW, it would be interesting to keep track of which players draw the most penalties. I'm thinking primarily of "effort" plays, where the puck carrier draws a trip/hook/hold based on his ability to carry the puck and outwork/outhustle the defender. I'm not volunteering for such task , I just think it would be cool to see a stat like that.

Sioux18

[stickboy1956]

This is often the case when the DOT line draws the penalty (which they do quite a bit). The #2 unit takes the first half of the PP while the #1s head to the bench and wait their turn.

BTW, it would be interesting to keep track of which players draw the most penalties. I'm thinking primarily of "effort" plays, where the puck carrier draws a trip/hook/hold based on his ability to carry the puck and outwork/outhustle the defender. I'm not volunteering for such task , I just think it would be cool to see a stat like that.

Sioux18

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[THETRIOUXPER]

This is often the case when the DOT line draws the penalty (which they do quite a bit). The #2 unit takes the first half of the PP while the #1s head to the bench and wait their turn.

BTW, it would be interesting to keep track of which players draw the most penalties. I'm thinking primarily of "effort" plays, where the puck carrier draws a trip/hook/hold based on his ability to carry the puck and outwork/outhustle the defender. I'm not volunteering for such task , I just think it would be cool to see a stat like that.

Sioux18

I don't have to see a stat in black and white to tell you that TJ draws more penalties than anyone. I'm sure Johnny is not far behind.

[The Whistler]

This is often the case when the DOT line draws the penalty (which they do quite a bit). The #2 unit takes the first half of the PP while the #1s head to the bench and wait their turn.

BTW, it would be interesting to keep track of which players draw the most penalties. I'm thinking primarily of "effort" plays, where the puck carrier draws a trip/hook/hold based on his ability to carry the puck and outwork/outhustle the defender. I'm not volunteering for such task , I just think it would be cool to see a stat like that.

Sioux18

You have a point but I think a lot of the time the DOT line is back out at the first opportunity. Power play time is heavily slanted to the DOT line.

[THETRIOUXPER]

You have a point but I think a lot of the time the DOT line is back out at the first opportunity. Power play time is heavily slanted to the DOT line.

Maybe the time advantage they have is because there are no other players stepping up and producing on the man advantage.

[AZSIOUX]

You have a point but I think a lot of the time the DOT line is back out at the first opportunity. Power play time is heavily slanted to the DOT line.

exactly, when the DOT line is out to start a PP, they are on for 1 or 2 rushes then if its dumped, they change for 1 rush and if thats dumped and there is 20-35 seconds left the DOT line comes right back out for 1 more PP chance...its very interesting to watch, they are THE BEST LINE IN COLLEGE HOCKEY and we are lucky to get to watch these 3 together. now lets make the push for #8!!

[Vegas]

Maybe the time advantage they have is because there are no other players stepping up and producing on the man advantage.

Exactly. PP time is a reward to those who produce. If you don't produce you don't play the PP. This isn't peewee hockey and the players know that. They have to step it up when they get the opportunity or show it in practice.

PK time is also a reward to those guys that know how to play defence.

If your a player that wants to get anywhere you want to be on either one of these special teams as a minimum. Being on both is exceptional.

[Blackheart]

I just wish there was more solid checking from this team. It's there in spurts but they need to hit consistently. I'm not talking retaliation checking either. I mean knock the guy on his assets when going for the puck instead of just shoving him to the side. I guess I'm old school Sioux hockey but I think the team would benefit from more physicality. It sure worked in the olden' days.

Here!Here! We need more grit!!

[Irish]

Simple -

We have a freshman class without any impact players - Some may develop in the future, but overall they are a big dissapointment - sepecially when you see the tremendous production other teams are getting from their top freshmen. In addition, many of the returning players have not developed like we had hoped. At this point, after the first line, I'm not sure if we have a lot of talent. This worries me, especially if you think about next year. We definately did not reload this year.

[Vegas]

Simple -

We have a freshman class without any impact players - Some may develop in the future, but overall they are a big dissapointment - sepecially when you see the tremendous production other teams are getting from their top freshmen. In addition, many of the returning players have not developed like we had hoped. At this point, after the first line, I'm not sure if we have a lot of talent. This worries me, especially if you think about next year. We definately did not reload this year.

I've warned people a few times that they have missed out on some pretty significant talent and it will likely cost the Sioux over the next few years. Everybody is holding their breath waiting for David Toews. Well David isn't the same kind of player that Jonny is. He is more grittier but also a little smaller. He also doesn't have quite the same snipping ability or vision that Jon has. Losing Gregoire to DU is going to hurt. He was a shade less talented than Jonny but will be no slouch at DU. Colin Wilson was another recruit that would have provided some impact next year. The Sioux have to pursue the best players in their own backyard a little harder. If they do, there will be no one asking how good the next crop will be. There will always be somebody that will step up.

Oh and by the way, the next potential Jonny Toews is Michael St. Croix. Keep your eyes on this kid. He is going to be very good. And yes he is only 13 but I said the same thing about Jonny when he was 13.

[siouxnami]

I've warned people a few times that they have missed out on some pretty significant talent and it will likely cost the Sioux over the next few years. Everybody is holding their breath waiting for David Toews. Well David isn't the same kind of player that Jonny is. He is more grittier but also a little smaller. He also doesn't have quite the same snipping ability or vision that Jon has. Losing Gregoire to DU is going to hurt. He was a shade less talented than Jonny but will be no slouch at DU. Colin Wilson was another recruit that would have provided some impact next year. The Sioux have to pursue the best players in their own backyard a little harder. If they do, there will be no one asking how good the next crop will be. There will always be somebody that will step up.

Oh and by the way, the next potential Jonny Toews is Michael St. Croix. Keep your eyes on this kid. He is going to be very good. And yes he is only 13 but I said the same thing about Jonny when he was 13.

Where is Michael St. Croix from? Is he another Manitoba or Shattuck kid?

[Four Below]

Nice to see some production from Porter and the 2nd line last night!

I spoke with Michael Forney's dad, Jay, last night (after TRF lost to Warroad, doh!). Sounds like Michael will be having shoulder surgery in the off season. Hak told him that he should be on the 1st & 2nd line not on one of the checking lines but there was no room for him at the moment. Sounds like practice is going well for him but he can't take many hits. Sounds like they would have liked to have him get surgery earlier but they're so thin at forward they felt like they needed to keep him around in case of injuries. Hopefully we'll see a jump in production next year. FWIW

I asked Jay if he had any insight on Oshie leaving. His only reply was, "TJ loves college". Hopefully that's a good sign. I then mentioned that I figured Toews would be gone for sure, and he said that he wasn't so sure about that. Still seems like a long shot to keep him, but maybe the faintest glimmer of hope. Heck, Jack Johnson played two years of college hockey after being a 3rd overall pick, maybe we'll get lucky with Jonny, too.

[Stack]

To answer the question starting this thread:

Saturday March 3rd at St. Cloud:

North Dakota-1 Darcy Zajac (Ryan Martens, Robbie Bina) 3:12

North Dakota-2 T.J. Oshie (Robbie Bina, Jonathan Toews) 4:42

North Dakota-3 Chay Genoway (Brad Miller, Joe Finley) GWG 15:45

Second Period

North Dakota-4 Darcy Zajac (Joe Finley) 3:07

North Dakota-5 Taylor Chorney (Brian Lee, Jonathan Toews) PPG 10:17

Third Period

North Dakota-6 Brad Miller (Chris Porter, Chris VandeVelde) 10:42

North Dakota-7 Ryan Martens (Kyle Radke, Joe Finley) PPG 18:10

So we have Zajac, Genoway, Miller, and Martens scoring tonight. COOL!

I guess the other guys can score.

[siouxnami]

To answer the question starting this thread:

Saturday March 3rd at St. Cloud:

North Dakota-1 Darcy Zajac (Ryan Martens, Robbie Bina) 3:12

North Dakota-2 T.J. Oshie (Robbie Bina, Jonathan Toews) 4:42

North Dakota-3 Chay Genoway (Brad Miller, Joe Finley) GWG 15:45

Second Period

North Dakota-4 Darcy Zajac (Joe Finley) 3:07

North Dakota-5 Taylor Chorney (Brian Lee, Jonathan Toews) PPG 10:17

Third Period

North Dakota-6 Brad Miller (Chris Porter, Chris VandeVelde) 10:42

North Dakota-7 Ryan Martens (Kyle Radke, Joe Finley) PPG 18:10

So we have Zajac, Genoway, Miller, and Martens scoring tonight. COOL!

I guess the other guys can score.

Thats spreading it out. 9 points from the D!

Points:

Finley 3

Miller 2

Toews 2

Zajac 2

Martens 2

Bina 2

Oshie 1

Vandevelde 1

Radke 1

Genoway 1

Lee 1

Chorney 1

Porter 1

Duncan 0