#1siouxfan22 Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 who will be the number 1 goalie next year with the sioux have 4 goalies and not one of them is outstanding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choyt3 Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 who will be the number 1 goalie next year with the sioux have 4 goalies and not one of them is outstanding Not one is outstanding? Pretty strong statement you are making there. Tretiak visiting the boards again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 Woe is UND. How'd they ever win the toughest league in college hockey with this " ... not one of them is outstanding ... " conference-games goaltending. Goaltender GP Minutes GA Saves Shots Save% GAA Record Win% GS SO %Time Jake Brandt 16 879:27 32 335 367 .913 2.18 12- 2- 0 .857 15 0 51.8% Jordan Parise 14 813:30 29 295 324 .910 2.14 8- 3- 3 .679 13 1 47.9% Saves over 91% and GAAs under 2.5 and " ... not one of them is outstanding ... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tboneund Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 I'm going to go with whoever is best in practice...just a guess. Here is the list as I would like to see it: Jake Brandt Jordan Parise Phillippe Lamoureux Nate Ziegelmann Keep in mind that is how I would like to see it. Brandt as #1 because I think he's good and he'll be a senior. Parise as #2 or maybe #1B because he is solid, he was good as a freshman, he'll be better as a Sophmore. Lamoureux becuase I have heard him compared to Karl Goehring, which makes this Apple Valley native smile . Finally Ziegelmann as #4 because he didn't play much this year and if Lamoureux is as good as I have read he is, the bench will be too crowded for him. Next season is several months away and a lot can happen in that time. I hope the guys enjoy the off season and come back hungery for a championship. Anyway you look at it UND should not have any serious weak spots next year. Blais has done a good job of making this a deep team at every position. More than my 2 cents, but you asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 Saves over 91% and GAAs under 2.5 and " ... not one of them is outstanding ... " Can UND's hockey program survive another season of substandard goaltending? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manderleigh13 Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 tboneund Posted on Apr 2 2004, 02:44 PM Keep in mind that is how I would like to see it. Brandt as #1 because I think he's good and he'll be a senior. Parise as #2 or maybe #1B because he is solid, he was good as a freshman, he'll be better as a Sophmore. I have to agree. Brandt at 1 because he will be a senior and Jordan as #1B or even them switching off as they did this year. Who knows what can happen in the off-season though. I didn't know UND didn't have "outstanding goaltending." I sure saw good goalies- some games it was weak but the Sioux couldn't have gone as far as they did with just average goaltending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 I hope it's not Brandt if only b/c it's gonna take me a year to get past the memories of that debacle v the GOOFS in the WCHA title game. On one goal, he coughs up the puck like an old drunk hocking a loogy, and for the GWG he gets stuffed!! C'mon! I know one game doesn't make a career, but he was shaky throughout the season, and though I love a good stat, how much of the GAA is based on solid team D and how much is the goalie? Yes, Save Percentage is a nice number too, but it doesn't factor in any way, quality of shot/saves, so a dump-in from center ice counts the same as stopping a breakaway. Besides, I can't recall the last senior goalie to lead the team to a NCAA title. Eddie was a frosh and Karl was a Junior. Thus, his "experience" means little. Also, I wish Blais would pick one and stick with him for more than a weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 I know one game doesn't make a career, but he was shaky throughout the season, and though I love a good stat, how much of the GAA is based on solid team D and how much is the goalie? Yes, Save Percentage is a nice number too, but it doesn't factor in any way, quality of shot/saves, so a dump-in from center ice counts the same as stopping a breakaway. It's interesting that you're willing to credit good team defense when the goalies play well, but when the Sioux lose, it's the goalie's fault. Case in point: Watch the tape of Potulny's game-winning goal in the Final Five championship. Keep an eye on the mistake Bina makes that gives Potulny more time and space in front of the net. And how about Matt Greene turning the puck over to Vanek? And how about McMahon losing the faceoff in the Sioux zone and the D-men allowing Riddle to get behind them? Are those mistakes Jake's fault, too? Blais' formula for success is quite simple: 1. Limit the opposing team to 25 shots on goal. 2. Have a goalie who stops at least 90 percent of those shots. 3. Have an offense that averages at least 4 goals per game. There were six games during the season in which the Sioux held opponents to two or fewer goals, and yet they were 0-4-2. The most important loss of the season was a game in which the Sioux didn't score a single goal! And yet we still blame the goalies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman0099 Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 Can UND's hockey program survive another season of substandard goaltending? Maybe by "outstanding" he ment that none of them stand out from one another, as in they are all solid and its hard to choose which is going to be the best at any certain point. At least thats the way I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 PCM- No. The only way we can get decent goaltending back (apparently) is to petition the NCAA rules committee to allow unlimited eligibility and convince Karl to come back to UND And as for the WCHA title game, I have this question: When I looked at the replay of the G Potulny wrap around goal, the puck went five-hole on Brandt. I noticed that Brandt's stick was not square to the shooter. My question is: Is there a right way to face the blade of the stick when facing a shot? I've seen some goaltenders hold the stick so that the face of the blade is facing square to the puck. I've seen some hold the face at an angle. And Brandt was pointing the tip of the blade at Grant when he faced the shot. I believe if Brandt had held the stick square to the shooter, that puck wouldn't have gone in. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 It's interesting that you're willing to credit good team defense when the goalies play well, but when the Sioux lose, it's the goalie's fault. Case in point: Watch the tape of Potulny's game-winning goal in the Final Five championship. Keep an eye on the mistake Bina makes that gives Potulny more time and space in front of the net. And how about Matt Greene turning the puck over to Vanek? And how about McMahon losing the faceoff in the Sioux zone and the D-men allowing Riddle to get behind them? Are those mistakes Jake's fault, too? Blais' formula for success is quite simple: 1. Limit the opposing team to 25 shots on goal. 2. Have a goalie who stops at least 90 percent of those shots. 3. Have an offense that averages at least 4 goals per game. There were six games during the season in which the Sioux held opponents to two or fewer goals, and yet they were 0-4-2. The most important loss of the season was a game in which the Sioux didn't score a single goal! And yet we still blame the goalies. All good points especially the last two, but that doesn't make me want to see Brandt in net in a really big game. It's just that when a Bina or Greene makes a mistake like that, I'd love to see the goalie, in a big game, step up and save the player and the shot, that's all. Call it a feeling in the pit of my stomach, or whatever, but I just don't see him as a goalie who will be a part of a NCAA champion. The goalie, as Denver proved, is so integral to a team going all the way and I just have a non-objective view about Brandt. I hope he proves me wrong, but for now, I'm hoping Parise really steps up next fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1siouxfan22 Posted April 2, 2004 Author Share Posted April 2, 2004 but who will be #1 goalie if they go with one who should it be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 but who will be #1 goalie if they go with one who should it be I think the best answer you are going to recieve will be: Whichever goaltender proves during the offseason and preseason practice periods to be the best bet to win opening weekend. If you want to look at past performance: Then JPar is your opening day goaltender for these reasons: 1) He won his first game of his UND career... on opening day. 2) He won every game he played in during the WCHA Tourney 3) 2 games 1 goal allowed in the NCAAs If JPar has a poor workout regimen during the offseason and struggles during preseason practices, Brandt will be the #1 But only Blais will know for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 Don't mistake this as an advertisement for Lammy being the #1 goalie. I think we have 2 pretty solid guys (maybe 3?) already and Lammy looks like he may be able to compete with them. Lammy faced a TON of shots this year. Following are some stats compared to Kellen Briggs who had a solid year this year for MN. I compare the 2 because they both faced a very heavy workload their last year in the USHL: Briggs 2002-03 16W 23L, 3.71 GA, 1422 SOG, .901 sv% Lammy 2002-03 22W 7L, 2.16 GA, 781 SOG, .917 sv% Lammy 2003-04 22W 23L, 2.80 GA, 1499 SOG, .918 sv% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMS Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 Not sure if its tru or not but i heard the other day that ziggy wont return, he wants to play and is transferring to another school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 I believe if Brandt had held the stick square to the shooter, that puck wouldn't have gone in. Thoughts? I agree that the puck could have been stopped had Brandt used his stick to wall off the five hole, which he should have done. But I think Jake thought that he had more help in front of the net than he did. Unfortunately, Bina took himself out of position and I don't think Jake knew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 All good points especially the last two, but that doesn't make me want to see Brandt in net in a really big game. Brandt was in goal for two big games at Duluth. The Sioux won the WCHA as a result. But heck, don't take my word for it, ask Dean Blais. "For six or seven of our wins, the difference in winning the WCHA this year has been Jordan and Jake," he says. "Our goaltenders won some big games for us. You count on them to do that." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 Brandt was in goal for two big games at Duluth. The Sioux won the WCHA as a result. But heck, don't take my word for it, ask Dean Blais. PCM, that appears to be your word though. Thanks for quoting yourself again...real professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 PCM, that appears to be your word though. Thanks for quoting yourself again...real professional. Dean Blais said the words I quoted. Learn to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedorov Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 Learn to read. Overrated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tboneund Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 First, PCM, I thank you for once again for using logic to make an important point., I appreciate it. Secondly, it seems people here are too willing to blame goalies when we lose and praise the team when we win. Finally, thank you to Dean Blais and the rest of the coahing staff for building a team so good and with so much depth that we have time to complain about the small flaws that every human player will inevitably have. PS. Correctly quoting Dean Blais, what Dean himself said, is professional. Thank you PCM for your accurate reporting, most of us really appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmidtdoggydog Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 If JPar has a poor workout regimen during the offseason. . . . Not likely considering he will probably have his brother and a few of the other Shattuck alumnus firing shots at him over the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 Not likely considering he will probably have his brother and a few of the other Shattuck alumnus firing shots at him over the summer. Which may mean Brandt fans COULD be surprised on opening day... but like I said, again, the decision will be made by Blais. Not by myself or anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFSIOUX#1 Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 PCM, that appears to be your word though. Thanks for quoting yourself again...real professional. Wow, Basil you have out done yourself this time....wife cut you off or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmidtdoggydog Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 PCM, that appears to be your word though. Thanks for quoting yourself again...real professional. Wow, Basil you have out done yourself this time....wife cut you off or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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