redwing77 Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 Ok, I know it is too early to care about rankings but I think this thread would benefit us later on this season as a way of tracking our rankings as the season progresses. For example: UMN loses two to UMD. Where will that rank those two teams? UNH loses to unranked Niagara. BC loses to Notre Dame. UND was idle. What will happen to the rankings? Does UNH, BC, UND, and UMN have a chance to stay in the top 5 past midseason? Does UND's split with BC forecast anything at all power wise? If anything at all, at least this thread will bring more conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman0099 Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 I think you'll see the USCHO poll look something like this: 1. Maine 2. UND (some FPV) 3. Denver (also some FPV) 4. Boston College 5. Minnesota 6. Michigan and UMD moving up somewhere around 7th-10th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprig Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 Too early for rankings to mean anything, as soon as there are a few more games played you can track pairwise (and krach) on uscho. http://www.uscho.com/rankings/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyeagle Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 No way should MN be top five IMO. 8-9 at best would be my vote, but early season rankings always seem to be based on history and not on-ice performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux fan in phoenix Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 October 27, 2003 Team (First Place) Record Pts Last Week 1 Maine (23) 5-0-0 568 5 2 North Dakota (11) 2-1-0 500 4 3 New Hampshire (2) 3-1-0 470 1 4 Michigan (2) 6-1-0 458 6 5 Boston College (1) 3-2-1 428 2 6 Denver (1) 4-0-0 391 7 7 Boston University 2-0-1 356 8 8 Colorado College 3-0-1 311 10 9 Harvard 0-0-0 271 9 10 Minnesota 1-3-0 222 3 11 Cornell 0-0-0 209 11 12 Minnesota-Duluth 2-2-1 198 15 13 St. Cloud State 3-0-1 96 NR 14 Massachusetts 4-0-0 88 NR 15 Providence 4-1-1 61 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Looks like the hockey Gods have temporarily forsaken THE Annointed Ones--BC & Minnesota...Kinda funny to see Harvard ahead of Minnesota...You weren't very far off, GE... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Too early for rankings to mean anything, as soon as there are a few more games played you can track pairwise (and krach) on uscho. http://www.uscho.com/rankings/ Obligatory plug: you can actually view preliminary computer rankings without waiting and without even leaving the site: RPI, PWR, Bradley-Terry We already offer a few unique features such as in-place sortability and the uber-geeky drill-down into comparisons features in PWR. By the time the numbers become more meaningful, I'll have hopefully had to time to add help text to aid lesser geeks interpret the data and perhaps a few more features/meaningful ways to present the data. A page that compares various ratings is already in the works -- other suggestions for improvements in presentation are always welcome. (Known flaws: The SOS calculation in KRACH still isn't dealing with sparse data perfectly, though the Bradley-Terry itself is correct. The RPI shows an opponent win % of 0 for teams that have faced only one opponent, though the value should actually be undefined). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyeagle Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 SIP - It wasn't a stretch... Jim - I didn't see a link to the WCHA standings calculator on the UND hockey main page, will it be available again this year? I realize it's very early and you may be waiting for mid-season to get it running. I really appreciated & enjoyed that last year and hope to see it again. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux fan in phoenix Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Obligatory plug: you can actually view preliminary computer rankings without waiting and without even leaving the site: RPI, PWR, Bradley-Terry We already offer a few unique features such as in-place sortability and the uber-geeky drill-down into comparisons features in PWR. By the time the numbers become more meaningful, I'll have hopefully had to time to add help text to aid lesser geeks interpret the data and perhaps a few more features/meaningful ways to present the data. A page that compares various ratings is already in the works -- other suggestions for improvements in presentation are always welcome. (Known flaws: The SOS calculation in KRACH still isn't dealing with sparse data perfectly, though the Bradley-Terry itself is correct. The RPI shows an opponent win % of 0 for teams that have faced only one opponent, though the value should actually be undefined). So when's the next Star Trek convention? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Jim - I didn't see a link to the WCHA standings calculator on the UND hockey main page, will it be available again this year? I realize it's very early and you may be waiting for mid-season to get it running. Not so useful yet, but still there: What-if The big change this season will be support for all 6 conferences. That was actually not trivial because some conferences don't play all games in series (which the WCHA calculator assumed). I'm not positive they all work perfectly yet, but will by January. The toolchest is getting big enough that I suspect I'll just add a "stats tools" page around mid-season that points out everything working by then. My long-term hope is to apply technology similar to the conference standings what-if to some of the other ratings, but the hurdles are much bigger and I'm pretty far behind where I'd need to be to get it done this season. So when's the next Star Trek convention? Come on, the real-time no-reload high-speed sorting on those ratings pages is neat and you know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyeagle Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Thanks Jim! It's a great tool. Quite a project you have underway - it must be hard to get away to the Star Trek convention..... Thanks again and good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux fan in phoenix Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Jim, You should apply your big alien-sized brain to more noble causes like global peace & finding alternative food sources for 3rd World countries. Oy, my brain cells be a hurtin'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMDDogz Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 What are unproven teams like Harvard and Cornell doing in the top 15? This is not a preseason ranking anymore...It should reflect performance on the ice, and no longer reflect the preseason hype. Dogs should be #9. My $0.02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMDDogz Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 Dogs move to #9 in USCHO poll after sweep of UAA this weekend. Still lingering around #11 on INCH's "Power Rankings". I don't know why Harvard is so high on INCH's list; they were ranked #5 before stepping on the ice. Then after a 2-0 shoutout loss to Brown (unranked), they still failed to drop below the Bulldogs who have quality wins under their belt, and a much tougher S.O.S. Polls will be polls i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoteauRinkRat Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 UMDDogz Polls are just that, polls. I agree Harvard should have dropped more, but how high do you think your Dogs should be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMDDogz Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 One higher...Harvard was the only bunk team I could find above the Dogs. #8 would be great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoteauRinkRat Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 One higher...Harvard was the only bunk team I could find above the Dogs. #8 would be great! I agree, but who cares right now anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2Bad1 Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 This is nothing new. Harvard always finds its way into the preseason polls without much merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoteauRinkRat Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 Just another east team that always gets talked up, but seems to fizzle sometime during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMDDogz Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 You have to remember that I'm a Bulldogs fan. It's been a few years since we could be "poll watchers". That's the reason that polls exist. They're conversation starters. The earlier we can climb high, the better for our PWR considerations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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