Fighting against "Fighting Sioux"

[PCM]

Here's the story that was in today's Grand Forks Herald about the Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools visit to UND. Here's a quote from the story:

A nationally sanctioned accrediting board says UND's Indian-head logo and nickname get in the way of its efforts to become an even better university, and it recommended that the state Board of Higher Education revisit its decision to keep the controversial moniker.

"This has been much too good an institution for much too long to let this issue diminish its good stature, both in the immediate region and among your peers around the country," said Nancy Ellen Talburt, vice provost for Academic Affairs at the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville.

But contrast that with this:

The NCA panel said that UND's use of the nickname and logo have been respectful, and went out of its way to commend UND for its improved campus climate and its outreach to American Indian students.

In other words, the commission believes that UND has been successful in attracting Native American student in spite of its use of the Sioux name. One only needs to look at other institutions of higher learning in the region to know that UND's successful Native American programs are because of the Sioux name.

[Goon]

btw...I am a member of the ACLU, but I also am a member of the NRA (Hey, growing up in North Dakota kind of breeds this kind of independence).....I'm more of a ala carte liberal rather than what you would call a knee jerk reactionary.

Now there is a Liberal that I can appreciate. I however, have not heard of many that are NRA members. Cool...

[sioux fan in phoenix]

Now there is a Liberal that I can appreciate. I however, have not heard of many that are NRA members. Cool...

And you can appreciate him even more if one of his liberal buddies gets elected president & taxes the bejesus outta your paycheck to fund, for example, unwed, minority teenage girls with peanutbutter knees

[Riverman]

It will be interesting to see how this issues plays out over the next 10 years, which happens to be the length of the accredidation awarded to UND.

You never know what kind of things will play out over the next decade.

I like how they said this could cause a decline in enrollment. (or something like this statement) Hello isn't UND's enrollment at it highest it has ever been? And the new logo has been around 3 yrs?

[CoteauRinkRat]

I laughed when they said it could cause a decline in enrollment. That is laughable.

I'm so sick of the NCAA thinking they know the pulse of what students and the public's perception of such monikers are. They are so far out of touch with the real world and what goes on, that they always seem to make decisions that go against public opinion.

[ScottM]

I've read a few "stories" about people who declined to attend UND because of the name. Then again, it probably had more to do with financial aid packages than anything else. Moreover, if UND is such an "evil" place for keeping the name, where is the mass exodous of faculty, staff and students who oppose the name? Why do these little protests only draw the same crowds of long-in-the-tooth faculty/staff and students whose only contact with Indians probably consists of visits to casinos? After all, by continuing to give money and services to UND, don't they perpetuate this "evil"? Then again, I suppose hypocrisy isn't really an issue for the pathological whiners in the name change choir.

[Bacardio]

Can somebody fill me in on a quote from Merry's ranting.

She stated that the Lakota tribe gave permission to use the name and 12 years later tried to get them to stop.

From what I have heard, not once has the Lakota tribe (as a tribe, or as a leading group of elders) wanted the name changed.

Is she right? or lying....er sorry distorting the truth as usually.

Thanks

[redwing77]

Can somebody fill me in on a quote from Merry's ranting.

She stated that the Lakota tribe gave permission to use the name and 12 years later tried to get them to stop.

From what I have heard, not once has the Lakota tribe (as a tribe, or as a leading group of elders) wanted the name changed.

Is she right? or lying....er sorry distorting the truth as usually.

Thanks

I'd acknowledge Merry if she had some modicum of truth to what she said. Refer to above. If she doesn't have enough of the facts to qualify the knowledge that Turner hasn't owned the SI magazine or even the Braves for close to 10 years, I would say she's largely shooting from the hip.

If her information was correct and concluded that her beliefs were how it should be, I'd respect her despite my disagreement with what she has to say. However, since her information wouldn't hold up in court because of her half-a$$ed research techniques, I wouldn't hold too much weight to anything coming from that site.

[Goon]

elmduf,

I'd like to join the ACLU...Like you, I'm pro-NAMBLA & want "under God" removed from the Pledge of Allegiance--America is becoming a theocracy & I want it to stop!

Dude I am so glad your kidding. I had to take a double take when I read your post.

NRA and ACLU. Hum, that one is hard to explain.

[elmduf]

Allright, I really wanted to avoid this on a sports website, but here goes...

Goon and others,

What's so hard to understand? Both the NRA and the ACLU are organizations that are designed to protect our constitutional rights. Sometimes people feel they both go a bit overboard. I would rather see both of these organizations go "too far" in protecting our constitutional rights than not far enough.

Enough this already. Let's get back to supporting Sioux sports!

[Goon]

Allright, I really wanted to avoid this on a sports website, but here goes...

Goon and others,

What's so hard to understand? Both the NRA and the ACLU are organizations that are designed to protect our constitutional rights. Sometimes people feel they both go a bit overboard. I would rather see both of these organizations go "too far" in protecting our constitutional rights than not far enough.

Enough this already. Let's get back to supporting Sioux sports!

Dude don't get me wrong I am all for yah, I guess all I would say is welcome aboard. I used to be ashamed to admit to Liberals that I was a member of the NRA because many of them vilified this great organization so much.

Peace...

[sioux fan in phoenix]

elmduf,

I respect your right to join this organization, but I detest it & believe that it does more distorting & manipulating of our constitutional rights than protecting them like you claim. My conscience will not allow me to be affiliated with a group who supports convicted cop killers, pedophiles & the homosexual agenda, essentially is anti-Christian (anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional & needs a heavy dose of Seroquel shot up their arse) & backs any other person/cause that is so far left of traditional America it

[sioux fan in phoenix]

Dude I am so glad your kidding. I had to take a double take when I read your post.

NRA and ACLU. Hum, that one is hard to explain.

I had thoughts of joining the Anti Christian Liberal Union but was running a high-grade fever at the time & not thinking clearly. Man, was that scary

[NoDak]

I appologize for being a few days late on this reply to the conversation from last week but my computer has been inoperable. I was really enjoying the discussion on the nickname and the quasi-political leanings until "elmduf" declared himself "pro NAMBLA." That's when I got this sick feeling. Do folks know what NAMBLA stands for? It's the North American Man Boy Love Association! If I were you, I'd probably be burning the evidence about now. Wow, this has really gotten off track.

[CoteauRinkRat]

I appologize for being a few days late on this reply to the conversation from last week but my computer has been inoperable. I was really enjoying the discussion on the nickname and the quasi-political leanings until "elmduf" declared himself "pro NAMBLA." That's when I got this sick feeling. Do folks know what NAMBLA stands for? It's the North American Man Boy Love Association! If I were you, I'd probably be burning the evidence about now. Wow, this has really gotten off track.

I agree

[NoDak]

Sorry elfduf. I believe it was "sioux fan in phoenix" who posted the NAMBLA remark on Oct 22.

[Bad Eagle]

On this interesting thread, I must ask, has anyone seen Zell Miller's new book, A National Party No More? Miller is an old Democrat from the deep South, a conservative Democrat Senator from Georgia. He believes that the Democratic party is severely splintered, and cannot accomplish what it needs to. He says the South represents a third of the Democratic party, and it is the fastest growing segment, but all of the Democratic candidates do poorly there, and presently are not even campaigning there.

I mention this only because of the interesting discussion on the Democratic Party, and the fact that there are indeed conservatives within it.

I for one have seen the national Indian nick-name issue as one created and foster by the liberal side, but that might not mean a conservative couldn't come along and think Indian sports names are inappropriate.

Political labels are becoming blurred these days. That's really part of the liberal plan, however. Here's an article on the subject of the "melt-down" of political terminology.

[CoteauRinkRat]

I have no doubt there are conservatives against the names, just like there are liberals that see nothing wrong with them. We live in a culture now that likes to paint everyone a certain color, either liberal or conservative. Politics have never been more divisive in a country than they are today.

[Riverman]

On this interesting thread, I must ask, has anyone seen Zell Miller's new book, A National Party No More? Miller is an old Democrat from the deep South, a conservative Democrat Senator from Georgia. He believes that the Democratic party is severely splintered, and cannot accomplish what it needs to. He says the South represents a third of the Democratic party, and it is the fastest growing segment, but all of the Democratic candidates do poorly there, and presently are not even campaigning there.

I mention this only because of the interesting discussion on the Democratic Party, and the fact that there are indeed conservatives within it.

I for one have seen the national Indian nick-name issue as one created and foster by the liberal side, but that might not mean a conservative couldn't come along and think Indian sports names are inappropriate.

Political labels are becoming blurred these days. That's really part of the liberal plan, however. Here's an article on the subject of the "melt-down" of political terminology.

We know how it works. ND elects two Sens to bring home the bacon. And who love the Fighting Sioux nickname. (and if I recall went to UND)

Blurred party lines oh yes Colin Peterson from Minny is also a former "Blue Dog"

but it seems the Blue Dog Dems lost focus and Mr. Peterson I believe split from them. To many liberals in the mix!