dagies Posted June 26, 2003 Share Posted June 26, 2003 Not to be a stickler, but if both you're assumptions are correct (Dahlen not playing and Rosehill not coming), that's still 9 defencemen scheduled for '04. Hey, come on! I almost had to use my feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 It seems that today I am really out of the loop! So I'm going to finish up looking stupid in one last post. First, who is Dahlen? I don't recall ever seeing him on UND's roster or is he another incoming freshman? Second, maybe we can anticipate Ryan Hale's departure? His "resence" well... would Ryan be missed? Third, I don't know who is comign or going anymore, so I am just going to wildly guess that Greene is gone. Why? Well, last season was tough for him. Making stupid penalties, getting on DB's bad side, Not making stupid penalties (but sitting 2 min anyways). Very frustrating. Third, this question is sort of off topic, but does any NCAA colleges ever try recruiting from the QMJHL? Or is it not a recruitable league due to the fact that it is a "Major" Junior league? How does that all work anyways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kr Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Chad Dahlen: here is a previous link discussing Chad http://siouxsports.com/forums/index.php?ac...t=237&hl=dahlen (Thread title: New Recruits, New Member of Sioux credit Goon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Ok, Rip Van Winkle , Chad Dahlen is a defenseman from Devils Lake who transferred from LSSU? this past year. He played there 2 years I think, then decided to transfer. He practiced with the team until about January, when it was reported that he was concentrating on his studies and not practicing anymore with the team. Ryan Hale may not be an offensive force but I am not going to eagerly anticipate the departure of anyone who is a captain. Their contributions can come in many ways. Major Junior leagues are off limits to D1 recruiting as their players are ineligible to play D1. There are some exceptions, for instance Goren I believe and Genoway come to mind. Because Genoway played one game or one period or something like that of a MJ exhibition game they have to sit out one year of D1 hockey and then 1 game for every MJ game they played in. Something close to that anyway. So the guys who mostly get recruited have only played junior hockey, and not MJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 More info on the Rosehill speculation: http://didsburyreview.awna.com/sports/sports1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 No mention of particular schools, but he's very adamant about not losing his college eligibility. Not very good journalism...the writer didn't even ask him where he might be going to school or which colleges were recruiting him, if any. Doesn't the writer know there are inquiring minds out there? I expected more from the Didsbury Review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted June 27, 2003 Share Posted June 27, 2003 Second, maybe we can anticipate Ryan Hale's departure? His "resence" well... would Ryan be missed? No way Ryan Hale leaves. And yes, he would be missed...for his leadership, experience, and versatility. Third, I don't know who is comign or going anymore, so I am just going to wildly guess that Greene is gone. Why? Well, last season was tough for him. Making stupid penalties, getting on DB's bad side, Not making stupid penalties (but sitting 2 min anyways). Very frustrating. I agree that he may be somewhat of a flight risk after next season, but not now. He's way too raw to be ready for the NHL. He'll probably do what David Hale did and leave after his junior year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprig Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 his meager offensive output at a lower level of hockey is a concern Sent an email to an address on the Olds site asking if there was any information on Rosehill, specifically, had he committed to any D1 program. The returned answer was "NO". I'd included jk's text written by whomever at Tampa Bay, and the Olds emailer took offense to the quote above, asking if the writer was a stats person or someone that knew nothing about hockey. Email address was "coach@...... , don't know if it was the coach, an assistant, or an office secretary that returned the email, at any rate, see the coach has as one of his goals to coach in the NCAA within 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skateshattrick Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Third, I don't know who is comign or going anymore, so I am just going to wildly guess that Greene is gone. Why? Well, last season was tough for him. Making stupid penalties, getting on DB's bad side, Not making stupid penalties (but sitting 2 min anyways). Very frustrating. Third, this question is sort of off topic, but does any NCAA colleges ever try recruiting from the QMJHL? Or is it not a recruitable league due to the fact that it is a "Major" Junior league? How does that all work anyways? I'm not sure that I understand the speculation about Greene. Yes, he took many stupid penalties. However, no one doubts that he is very talented. He will get smarter and will be a very good defenseman. When Mike Commodore was recruited, I remember David Hoogsteen telling me about a new recruit who could not even skate. Commodore was raw, and took countless stupid penalties. However, he developed into a fine college defenseman. Greene is a much better skater, is bigger, and has a higher upside. He will get better and will be an asset. As far as the QMJHL, I have often wondered the same thing. Denver pulls out recruits from there, and the CCHA teams and Hockey East teams recruit heavily from that league. Michigan, BC, New Hampshire and others also recruit heavily from Western Canada (Kylanos and Kobasew from the BCHL went to Boston College) and the USHL. Is there any reason the Sioux don't go into the QMJHL?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Thanks for the replies concerning the QMJHL. It makes sense to me now. As for Greene, Commodore is actually bigger than Greene in both height and weight (Commodore was 6'4" 250 or so and Greene is 6'3" and I am not sure of his weight). Very comparable, but Commodore has the edge in size. It isn't the stupid penalties that makes him a flight risk, in my opinion. It's what happens when he's not committing stupid penalties. For example, all the penalties he recieved for going near another opponent's player? Sheperd and Schmitt always seemed to take pleasure in calling a penalty on him very early on the game. Even commentators remarked whether there was even contact in the first place on some of the penalties. Bad calls are frustrating to fans, but a 100 times more so to the players. I've heard some people here defend some of WCHA's refs, and it is true that our refs are better than other conferences (though how much better than Hockey East's new system will be yet to show), but the occurance of bad calls in games are staggering. Yeah, as a sioux fan I can name a bunch for the sioux, but I remember a UM v MSU-M game that featured 17 penalties and it wasn't even the 3rd period yet! Are the teams that dirty? I doubt it. Maybe DeMarchi and Greene have the corner market on dumb penalties, but nothing in the world brings 17 penalties on in 2 periods, in my opinion. That's just the refs trying to enter the game. If they want to do that, I suggest they get a jersey. [/rant] Anyways, Thats why I say Greene. Others may be more prepared for the NHL, but Greene may want to try his luck in the AHL or ECHL affiliates of the Oilers organization to try out what it would be like in a league where the refs are better. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Just to clear up the question about the QMJHL: The only people who "recruit" the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League are teams like the Detroit Red Wings and Minnesota Wild. The QMJHL is Canadian Major Juniors, the eligibility killer for NCAA players. Perhaps people are mistaking it for some of the Ontatio junior leagues, such as the: ONTATIO PROVINCIAL JUNIOR HOCKEY LEAGUE GOLDEN HORSESHOE JUNIOR B HOCKEY LEAGUE MID-WESTERN JUNIOR B HOCKEY LEAGUE QUEBEC JUNIOR A HOCKEY LEAGUE MARTIME JUNIOR A HOCKEY LEAGUE CENTRAL ONTARIO JUNIOR A HOCKEY LEAGUE WESTERN ONTARIO JUNIOR B HOCKEY LEAGUE NORTHERN ONTARIO HOCKEY LEAGUE Some of the teams in these leagues provide players to NCAA Division 1 teams. The only North Dakota player I recall from these leagues was Josh Siembida, who played there before coming down to the USHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Since Matt Greene has been discussed, I thought I would post this from an amateur write-up of the Edmonton prospects camp, from the Hockey's Future site. I only included names I recognize. ------------------------------------------------------------------- #42 Jake Brenk: The junior from Minnesota State impressed, not only with his speed but also with his shot. Brenk has a quick release and showed his tendency to aim for an inch below the crossbar. With stats that do not reflect an offensive upside, you have to wonder if he has been playing as a defensive specialist in college. Brenk had a noteworthy camp. #43 Ed Caron: Caron did not play last year because he transferred to Yale and had to ist out. The year off obviously did not help his development. Caron is a solid player. At 6-2 and 214 lbs, he can throw his weight around with the best of them but, unfortunately, those were skills not shown at this type of camp. More will be expected at the main camp in September. #44 Joe Cullen: Cullen is a good shooter. He scored in one of the scrimmages and was one of the top three in the shootout competition of Day 4. Cullen was good but not stellar, perhaps one to watch in September though. #46 Kevin Doell: Doell went largely unnoticed until later in the week when he played well in the final scrimmage. Kevin had 51 points in 41 games with the University of Denver last year so there is ability there, it just didn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 "#64 Brand Winchester may be all that...but not smart. Obviously his court appearance went well... or it is suspended. Either way I would love to see the outcome of those proceedings. There has to be more to the story than just the former UW Captain punching a police officer. (of course if that's it, well then...) Of course with my streak as of late, I could be thinking of a different Winchester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforkshe...rts/6305082.htm "Kyle Radke, a highly recruited defenseman from Bashaw, Alta., has given a verbal commitment to play hockey at UND, beginning with the 2003-04 season. Bashaw is the hometown of UND assistant hockey coach Brad Berry." This makes it appear that we will see Radke this year. If so, that's good for this year, and even better for the future, as the Sioux will have some experienced defensemen returning if they suffer some of the early departures we fear. I might have to go back to the Power Play thread and revise my guess on the power play units for this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kr Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 "Kyle Radke, a highly recruited defenseman from Bashaw, Alta., has given a verbal commitment to play hockey at UND, beginning with the 2003-04 season. I think I heard Tim and Swyg discussing this this morning -- and they said that Kyle Radke is not coming until 2004-2005 -- the Herald is incorrect. At least that's what I think I heard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprig Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 http://www.gpstorm.com/docs/2002-2003%20NE...20off%20to%20nd The Grande Prairie site has him coming in 04-05, although the Sioux would have liked to have him this year. He wants to stick around to play his final junior year in the Royal Bank Cup, which will be played in Grande Prairie next spring. "(The Fighting Sioux) kind of wanted me to go to them this fall, but they were content with letting me play here at the Royal Bank Cup," Radke said from his central Alberta home in Bashaw Saturday. "If we weren't hosting the Royal Bank Cup, I would have left this year, but it will be a great opportunity to get exposure and the experience of playing in it." As nice as it would be to have him on this team, this year, another year of Canadian juniors can't hurt. Another noteable Grand Prairie alum = Grant Stevenson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 I would think what kr said makes more sense. Why would Radke be coming this year? There are already a ton of defensemen coming. Theoretically speaking, if Radke DOES come, and he doesn't redshirt (redshirtting would make him coming this season even more pointless), that means Marvin and Hale would be seen a lot more as a forward on the third or fourth lines. Now, for all those on the other thread, if that is true, leadership or not, you won't be seeing an increase in 3rd and 4th line production. If the Herald is Correct as well, then that means there is at least once defenseman who is almost certainly going to leave before the beginning of the season. The only other option is that some defenseman left the program or decided not to come (which at this time could only be Bina really). Speaking of Bina, are they really going to keep Bina as a 5'7" defenseman? I'm barely 5'7" myself and I feel short all the time. Cant imagine what it would be like as a short defenseman among giants. Can anyone guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 Actually, there aren't that many defencemen on the roster for this season. Without Radke, there are about 7 or 8 defencemen on the roster this season, depending on if Dahlen comes (and that includes Marvin as a defenceman). I think 8 is the ideal number and a lot of teams have 9 on their roster. I wouldn't mind seing Radke come this season, especially if Dahlen doesn't come (or if he comes and doesn't make the team). We saw last year that 7 defencemen on the roster is just not enough. If nobody leaves early, there will actually be more competition for Radke if he waits until '04 to come. That's because there are no senior defencemen on the team this season and Luke Beaverson is scheduled to come to UND in '04 (and possibly Jay Rosehill). Either way there's going to be a lot fo defencemen on the roster in '04-'05. btw redwing - there's no chance of Radke red-shirting if he comes this fall. That wouldn't make any sense. If he's not going to play for UND, he'll play in the AJHL this season. The only red-shirting I ever hear about in college hockey these days is a medical red-shirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 Speaking of Bina, are they really going to keep Bina as a 5'7" defenseman? I'm barely 5'7" myself and I feel short all the time. Cant imagine what it would be like as a short defenseman among giants. Can anyone guess? When I think small defensemen I think of Curtis Murphy and Curt Giles. Maybe it's too bad his name isn't Curt Bina... Curtis Murphy was not only an excellent offensive defenseman but he was also known for having an excellent hip check. He played well positionally, etc. Curt Giles played for the North Stars for a long time and was a very solid defenseman for them, even though he was short for his position. It is my hockey inexpert opinion that a small defenseman can still be very effective if he knows how to position himself to deny the forward a preferred path to the goalie or can deny the pass from getting to that forward. If he can skate well, and make good choices with the puck and make good passes it would seem to me he could be very serviceable. I'm curious what the experts would say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
747Guy Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it is the fight in the dog!!!!! I have played against some "small" players who were able to hit you like a ton of bricks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprig Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 I know Bina was super defensively in high school, and really popped guys trying to get to the net; a much different level of play, however, than D1 (game I saw was against Minot, with not a real good team compared to Central). Anyone see him in juniors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 mksioux- That's what I said. Radke redshirting would be like Blais sitting out a year to plant roses in the Sahara desert. It would be stupid. As for optimal defensemen on the team, I'm too new in this realm of analysis to truly understand what is optimal player-wise on a team. If 9 is the optimal number of defensemen to make things happen, then we are one player short. If not, I wouldn't know. Unfortunately, I did not get to see Murphy or Giles play. Everything I hear about Murphy says he's an excellent player. Did he play all four years or did he leave early? I hope you are right about Bina. I haven't seen him play, and maybe his size is an advantage, I would have thought him to be like that UAA player of all those years back (1999 or 2000?) that was faster than heck and just as small. And I count 9 defensemen, unless Fabian isn't a defenseman. Counting Fabian and Bina, there is Greene, Smaby, Hale, Marvin, Fuher, Jones, and Schneider. Of course, this assumes Hale and Marvin will be playing D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 Fabian is a forward. Hale is probably going to operate as a forward this year. Well, at least that is my assumption. That's what he's been up till now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 The only reason R. Hale played defence at all last year was because the Sioux only had 7 defencemen on their roster and D. Hale was injured for a good part of the year. Right now, there are only 7 defencemen coming for sure (Schneider, Fuher, Jones, Greene, Marvin, Smaby, and Bina). Dahlen is a possibility (I haven't heard whether he's trying out or not) and Radke is doubtful in my opinion (the Herald story was probably wrong). Hopefully one of the two come because I think 8 is the ideal number of defencemen for a roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amn5hol Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 sprig- I watched Bina this last year in Lincoln. He started off a little slow (he had an injury at the beginning of the season), but came on strong at the end of the year. His stats were helped by being the #1 point-man on the power-play (Potulny manned the other point). He doesn't play physical, but he makes up for it by playing good positional, defensive hockey and has a really good poke-check. His passing skills will definitely need to improve to compete at the DI level. IMO his biggest assests are his heart and his ability to always get the puck on net, unlike Marvin when he was here. I think Marvin led the USHL in "blocked shots by opponents' shins" the last 2 years he was here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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