Earliest stats on ludwig, that I can find, start with UND. His numbers while at UND were not bad at all for a stay at home defenseman. His senior year he had 31 pts in 47 games. I was not trying to bash this kid at all, he's obviously got talent or we would have never given him an offer to begin with. I typically see where even the stay at home defensemen will hav decent numbers until the hit some sort of wall (as they move up from league to league). Even Macwilliam had 29 pts in 57 games his last year in juniors. Players peak at different times though, I'll continue to follow this kid. Mantha's numbers are only slightly better however he is in a much tougher league.