UND-FB-FAN

What accomplishments to suggest we should crown him? Hoping it happens, but he still has to prove himself. Offense still hasn’t held up against top competition since 2019. There’s doubt, and they’re justified in my opinion.

Yeah I don’t agree with a lot of this. I do agree it is way too early to expect any coaching changes, or even if Bill Chaves and UND would consider it given the financial ramifications. The same COVID eligibility rules you mention as helping SDSU also apply to UND. UND has seniors all over the team yet they were completely outmatched vs Boise State and SDSU. Since 2016, in big games based on 10k attendance plus, Bubba’s teams are 12-15. That’s purely bad and should not be acceptable. Just waiting and seeing how the regional and national FCS dominos fall, without aggressively looking for staff upgrades, is likely how this plays out. But I also think UND would be hoping for just one FCS championship in the next 50 years with that mindset/strategy. We certainly won’t build anything close to what NDSU created or what SDSU is currently experiencing with that mindset / approach. Treating South Dakota State as if they’re the University of Georgia or University of Alabama is petty justification and really just excuses mediocrity and extends Bubba ball unnecessarily. It’s Brookings SD vs Grand Forks ND. SDSU vs UND. Let’s keep this in perspective. Lastly, UND is not a top 10 FCS team at this point. Open your eyes. Look at the big picture. Never have been under Bubba, and they aren’t now. Have to hope they can finish 8-3 or 7-4, as that is best case scenario, in 2023. Maybe they can improve to become top 10, but they aren’t there right now, and likely won’t be at the end of this season … again.

I agree fully with this old adage.

You’re right, but there are other options that are potentially better for UND at this time. Need to try a different angle/philosophy to recruiting, scheme, team building, play-calling, strength&conditioning, player motivation, approach to big games, etc. Again, need to try something different, because the current setup is not going to get UND to the top of the mountain.

Yeah, and those were Mussman recruits ……

Recruiting is always key in college FB, better facilities will help, but ultimately it is the coaches who do the recruiting. Agree- need bigger, stronger, better players on defense … and offense … and specialists.

Key point. Recruiting is done by people, so you need the right people (coaches) in charge.

I think the poor record and duration of tenure all suggest it is time to move on. Bubba is not a top tier program builder nor does he have the leadership ability to catapult UND to a championship contender in big games. Recruiting is always key in college FB, better facilities will help, but ultimately it is the coaches who do the recruiting.

This is incredibly random and speculative.

You mean he won’t get a lifetime contract extension like how UND operates??

don’t tell that to Bubba!! Go to 5:43 mark -gonna need to clear house to try something different, and insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

you’re right, it’s just that the “big game/big crowd” rhetoric equals big opportunities against good teams. Reflects on the fact that UND can’t consistently win against good teams (FBS or top FCS) in order to take the next step. It’s beyond a pattern or trend at this point; it’s the truth. UND continues to fail against good teams with Bubba. UND hasn’t been able to build a roster (or implement a scheme, or inject confidence around the program) that allows for wins in big games against good teams.

Even with 10,000+ the odds aren’t good … Disgusting trend which at this point is well established.

8-3 would be a success because it would mean the team has improved and is clicking on all cylinders come playoff time (given they’re 2-2 right now), but a A LOT of work ahead for Bubba and staff to get UND to that record come playoff time. It doesn’t seem likely right now. Next two games are huge for direction of program. Close loss to NDSU isn’t good enough. 12-15 vs crowds of 10,000+ since 2016. This program does not have enough leadership or vision right now. Used to always say big players make big plays in big games, well Bubba and his staff certainly don’t make big coaching decisions in big games. With all that, this is also a recruiting issue. UND wasn’t even in the game from the start yesterday; SDSU was simply a bigger, physical, more talented team, but should we tolerate such a talent differential? No- no excuse. It’s Brookings SD vs Grand Forks ND. SDSU vs UND. No reason or excuse for such a talent and coaching differential. Plus this current team is senior-laden to make matters worse.

Still missing. Been missing nearly exclusively under this current regime. 0-8 versus crowds of 13,000+ since 2016. 12-15 versus crowds of 10,000+ since 2016. Big crowds = Big games, which for UND fb has meant ongoing failure and consistently being out-coached. Getting very very close to that time to move on. Man, what ~ 2014-2016 could have been with Kalen DeBoer … but, well, the “good ol’ boy club” really struck out UND football in that one. Just need to make sure this lesson is applied and we learn from our mistakes in future decisions. The Roger Thomas, Dale Lennon, Bubba Schweigert collection years are over folks … it is time to move on.

Boise State lost. Air force, Fresno, Wyoming won. Another FBS opportunity squandered. “But they’re FBS … 99% FCS teams would lose” Apologists will do what they do best … apologize.

Well, another opportunity squandered. More apathy, especially for the causal crowd/fans that don’t partake in a messaging board like this. “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” 0-8 versus crowds of 13,000+ since 2016. 12-15 versus crowds of 10,000+ since 2016. Big crowds = Big games, which for UND fb has meant ongoing failure and consistently being out-coached. New leadership is definitely needed, but at this early point in the season, it’s about trying new players, new schemes/philosophy, new styles, new approaches to preparation/ pregame, etc. Need to establish the line of scrimmage and stop the run. QB spot is expendable based the last 2 games; need a bigger, stronger, more athletic player that also protects the ball. Not solely a game manager. Play-calling to better emphasize the running game needs to improve. Running backs are okay, but could definitely be better there. Attempted and failed in the transfer portal for that spot. Defensively, consider loading the box, stop the run, inevitably give up some big passing plays. Needs to happen. Need better players up front, bigger/ stronger linemen, more physical linebackers. It’s a long season, and this was against FCS No. 1, but this UND FB program is not currently set up to take the next step. UND is a top 25 team, but it has no business being a top 10 team with how it is currently run. How to accomplish that next step? Positive change. Does UND administration want a top 10 football program to compete with conference mates NDSU and SDSU, or is top 25 good enough? What do the boosters want? Would they even travel to Frisco in January or would hockey be too important?

Anytime you extend a coach that goes 3-8 (2017) and 5-6 (2021) it makes you wonder what’s impairing the vision and decision-making up top…

Gonna wait 24 hours before commenting on this one. Ouch! 0-8 now since 2016 vs 13,000+ (big games/big crowds)

… Go Hawks!

Game Day! South Dakota bound to watch UND pull the upset…

Classic. Ran that double wing counter in high school ball years ago!

Top quintile shouldn’t be the goal. Won’t win any championships. Reconfirming the positives over and over again is nice and all, but need to bolster the weaknesses also

I agree, hope it comes to fruition.