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UND football as a program under Bubba has bipolar disorder … that is actually quite accurate. Good summation. Need new leadership to change it.

Sooner or later the old age will die and there will be a new dawn. Until then, we wait. Guess what? I ain’t goin anywhere - I’ll be here the whole time. Go Hawks!

No tripping. I stand by what I said. And you’re going to have to deal with it. UND wins this game. @ Murray State and @ South Dakota are where the money is at suspect win at Murray and loss at USD beat Illinois State back to 7-4 and again a bubble team … maybe get one playoff win if end up at home this year for once … lobbying MVFC commissioner all year probably will get them one rinse and repeat. Program is again consistently above average … but only a handful care about football championships for UND so no changes for decades to come … UND community needs to raise the standard. Will be neat when/if it happens.

Correct, I was never going to expand on myself via a public fan forum to a bunch of anonymous “idiots”, and I never said I would. I merely indicated the guy who called people on this board “idiots” is easily matched or surpassed by the experiences and capabilities of several others on this board, and I included myself. I stated I would put my experiences head to head, but I didn’t say this would be the medium to do it (especially with folks like you [@jdub27] on the witch hunt).

No backpedaling, just don’t want to go down a tangent of ridiculousness that some carry into. @iramurphy couldn’t help himself. He went full blown hook line and sinker on that post, and his “posse” backed him up. On this forum, we still have some (probably the older generation termed “cotton-tops” I guess) who take things way out of context. My guess is topics are going to get derailed easily now because apathy has set in. Easy to get distracted. UND football under the current leadership just can’t maintain the regional excitement: too ridiculously inconsistent, and of course god awful on the road.

Sure, Kelly and I agree. We can settle there and move on. And the whole “my pals” and “posse” take is ridiculous. I don’t personally know any of those in my “posse”, they just happen to agree with my comments every once and awhile. It’s okay we don’t all see things the same way, but for UND football to take the next steps, it would be nice to have a comprehensive effective vision that does not take 20-30 years to accomplish.

Sure. Whatever you say.

Pretty obvious it’s a lose-lose situation at this point given this shark frenzy. Last thing I want is escalation of personal attacks, but looks like you (and others) couldn’t help yourself and leave it alone. 360 guys do good work, but I didn’t agree with the blanket “idiot” comment, and yet, here we are. You’ll all be okay.

Pretty sure calling people idiots and not addressing the actual concerns is the deflection …

There certainly are some “idiots” on this forum, but we likely disagree on who is who. We can agree to disagree, but I’m not feeding into this frenzy of ridiculousness. All for what? To expand beyond UND football disagreements and foster an environment more in-tune to personal attacks. No thanks.

He is the guy who used the word “idiots” … but I suppose you still can’t get over the “fairy” reference. You’ll be okay. Move on. I don’t have to prove myself to you. You’ve had your day (or decades), now slow down and settle down. You’d think you would understand the concept of personal attacks in debates, and Kelly started this one by saying in general there are “idiots” commenting on here, I disagreed, implied we aren’t all actual idiots with my comment, but yet here you are. You took it literally, and you just couldn’t help yourself, could you …

Nothing like a personal criticism of the “idiots” during a discussion to signify you’re right … whether during a podcast or otherwise. Thanks again, ironically, for another one of your very own superiority posts. You wouldn’t think you’d be so insecure, but then again …

Road games are a vacation, not a business trip? Who does that fall on?

Pretty obvious anyone against the status quo is being referred to (and also now criticized and named-called) …

I’ll put my résumé/CV up against Kelly’s any day. This is getting ridiculous … This divide they’re creating is the beginning of the end. The divide on this forum of anonymous people isn’t because we want drama or are “idiots”; the divide is because folks are seeing inevitable change is necessary. The change does not necessarily need to be staff/jobs, but it should be part of the discussion.

You’re not wrong. Will Bill Chaves be in support of the general crowd or the experts? Likely the general crowd, because it’s cheaper. In essence, the final four games of the season could be canceled. This season will already be considered a success, even if team went 4-7.

It isn’t mind-boggling. It’s being honest with the fact that necessary actions at UND are routinely deferred for months, sometimes years. And it’s not sad that I’m highlighting the truth, what is sad is the lack of consistency that this program demonstrates, and good performances always guaranteed to be followed by abysmal ones.

I think the NDSU win followed by the absolute embarrassment at Northern Iowa will be a 2-game stretch brought up as a point of debate for months, if not years. UND beat NDSU (still only 1 time out of 6 attempts in DI era) but then followed it up with absolute sh*t. Is that overall situation (2-game stretch) interpreted as net positive or net negative? The debate will live on. Given the overall body of underwhelming work, I interpret it as net bad (net negative). As such, given the past few years are being considered, making a necessary strategic staffing move wouldn’t be “knee jerk”, as suggested by your “made up argument”. Extending staff after a 5-6 season isn’t implicitly being okay with those records? Give me a break.

Your assumptions aren’t necessarily correct, but we can all have our own opinions. Some on here are current or former coaches (albeit high school) or choose to not coach for several reasons but definitely have the ability to coach. Some on here really really care. It’s important to hear all sides and not just assume. That may in fact be the issue with this current staff - too closed-minded. Nevertheless, we’ve been at the “show me” stage for a while now with this program. I can’t understand how perennially bring 7-4 is okay with some, especially when you look at the FB budget, the continual opportunities blundered to be better than that, etc. The culture is currently damaged into accepting mediocrity (7-4 or 5-6 every season). Beating NDSU once in the past six attempts was nice, but this team is so fragile-minded on the road, that it is clear the staff is not doing their job. A signifiant part of football is the mental aspect, and the players are not motivated or confident on the road. That falls on the staff (namely Bubba). He admitted it. Their jobs should be on the line, but I doubt Chaves has the vision to follow through.

Unfortunately not likely with how this program has been built (and led).

I certainly do not think leaders need to be loud and boisterous, as effective communication and confidence have several different styles, but I do think leadership is lacking for UND FB right now as evidenced by the stark contrast in this team between home and away games. Call it player leadership or coaching, but it is probably both. Tommy Schuster should be a leader since he’s the quarterback (most important position in all of sports), and since leadership is being called into question, one can put two and two together.

A few biases at play, maybe? They’re certainly not going to say their starting quarterback can’t be a leader… but keep drinking the kool-aid.

Objectively speaking, you’re right, comebacks are not the metric lacking for Tommy Schuster as UND’s quarterback. It’s big plays on the road that are lacking, hence the horrid road record. This goes along with the leadership, motivation, non-athletic, mediocre arm, etc. etc. complaints that we hear again and again … probably because they’re accurate and easily observable.

Saban has a set and knows how to get after people. He demands respect and is a hell of a motivator. Common denominator for great head coaches - especially in college - is the ability to motivate and speak. UND’s current head coach - as evidenced by the road record and implicitly admitted during his own most recent presser - is unable to motivate worth a sh*t when things go bad. Last one that could do this well for UND was Dale Lennon (and he brought home a ‘ship)

here are some words, words, words … Time to prove it … avoid this ongoing mediocrity supported by a damaged culture