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Even with 10,000+ the odds aren’t good … Disgusting trend which at this point is well established.

8-3 would be a success because it would mean the team has improved and is clicking on all cylinders come playoff time (given they’re 2-2 right now), but a A LOT of work ahead for Bubba and staff to get UND to that record come playoff time. It doesn’t seem likely right now. Next two games are huge for direction of program. Close loss to NDSU isn’t good enough. 12-15 vs crowds of 10,000+ since 2016. This program does not have enough leadership or vision right now. Used to always say big players make big plays in big games, well Bubba and his staff certainly don’t make big coaching decisions in big games. With all that, this is also a recruiting issue. UND wasn’t even in the game from the start yesterday; SDSU was simply a bigger, physical, more talented team, but should we tolerate such a talent differential? No- no excuse. It’s Brookings SD vs Grand Forks ND. SDSU vs UND. No reason or excuse for such a talent and coaching differential. Plus this current team is senior-laden to make matters worse.

Still missing. Been missing nearly exclusively under this current regime. 0-8 versus crowds of 13,000+ since 2016. 12-15 versus crowds of 10,000+ since 2016. Big crowds = Big games, which for UND fb has meant ongoing failure and consistently being out-coached. Getting very very close to that time to move on. Man, what ~ 2014-2016 could have been with Kalen DeBoer … but, well, the “good ol’ boy club” really struck out UND football in that one. Just need to make sure this lesson is applied and we learn from our mistakes in future decisions. The Roger Thomas, Dale Lennon, Bubba Schweigert collection years are over folks … it is time to move on.

Boise State lost. Air force, Fresno, Wyoming won. Another FBS opportunity squandered. “But they’re FBS … 99% FCS teams would lose” Apologists will do what they do best … apologize.

Well, another opportunity squandered. More apathy, especially for the causal crowd/fans that don’t partake in a messaging board like this. “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” 0-8 versus crowds of 13,000+ since 2016. 12-15 versus crowds of 10,000+ since 2016. Big crowds = Big games, which for UND fb has meant ongoing failure and consistently being out-coached. New leadership is definitely needed, but at this early point in the season, it’s about trying new players, new schemes/philosophy, new styles, new approaches to preparation/ pregame, etc. Need to establish the line of scrimmage and stop the run. QB spot is expendable based the last 2 games; need a bigger, stronger, more athletic player that also protects the ball. Not solely a game manager. Play-calling to better emphasize the running game needs to improve. Running backs are okay, but could definitely be better there. Attempted and failed in the transfer portal for that spot. Defensively, consider loading the box, stop the run, inevitably give up some big passing plays. Needs to happen. Need better players up front, bigger/ stronger linemen, more physical linebackers. It’s a long season, and this was against FCS No. 1, but this UND FB program is not currently set up to take the next step. UND is a top 25 team, but it has no business being a top 10 team with how it is currently run. How to accomplish that next step? Positive change. Does UND administration want a top 10 football program to compete with conference mates NDSU and SDSU, or is top 25 good enough? What do the boosters want? Would they even travel to Frisco in January or would hockey be too important?

Anytime you extend a coach that goes 3-8 (2017) and 5-6 (2021) it makes you wonder what’s impairing the vision and decision-making up top…

Gonna wait 24 hours before commenting on this one. Ouch! 0-8 now since 2016 vs 13,000+ (big games/big crowds)

… Go Hawks!

Game Day! South Dakota bound to watch UND pull the upset…

Classic. Ran that double wing counter in high school ball years ago!

Top quintile shouldn’t be the goal. Won’t win any championships. Reconfirming the positives over and over again is nice and all, but need to bolster the weaknesses also

I agree, hope it comes to fruition.

So, you want UND to be an average/median FCS team? Again, mediocrity. Not “silly”. It’s laughable to phrase it like that. Sample size is 7 games, but UND is 0-7 in those games. That’s bad, in case you didn’t know that. Win at least 2 or 3? And the 10-12k crowd sizes still only offer a 0.500 record: that’s not good enough. You just exemplify the opposite mindset of a champion, and UND (including leadership) needs more. And I stated that UND can’t sell out games *other than when NDSU comes to town* … the attendance number /metric portrays “big games”… more people show up to watch “big games”. Would aptly like to see UND win said “big games”. Also 13,000 is the approximate capacity of the Alerus Center, not a random number. nonetheless, your unimpressive attempt to undermine my point and identified statistic is appreciated, but I for good reason don’t agree with it. You failed to truly refute it. “Champions behave like champions before they are champions” -Bill Walsh As for this week, getting back on topic; some (for example @jdub27) may say it is again not likely nor should it be expected that UND win on Saturday versus South Dakota State. Big crowd, but tough road opponent. I won’t sway from my approach. It will be tough and UND is rightfully the underdog, but if we all as UND supporters want to see UND take the next step, WIN THE DAMN GAME AND EXPECT TO DO SO. Otherwise, at some point, you can’t keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results. Consider changes, including with leadership.

Amen!! Will get better if they win said roadtrips. Was in Boise, I’ll be in Brookings.

Sample size isn’t huge, 7 games. Facts are still facts. Nothing imaginary about records / stats / facts. You’re justifying mediocrity again. Team needs to put up or shut up. Haven’t done it with Bubba. This isn’t DII anymore. Can’t just win in front of 5k-10k crowds and get to the next tier. Need to win big games. beat Montana State in 2016 in front of 19507 fans by score of 17-15 … since … 2017 L 16-37 @ Utah 2018 L 17-41 @ Montana 2019 L 7-38 @ NDSU 2021 L 24-48 @ Utah State 2022 L 17-38 @ Nebraska 2022 L 21-42 @ NDSU 2023 L 18-42 @ Boise State A lot more loses at Alerus Center against FCS teams in attendance range of 10-12k (can’t ever seem to sell the place out unless NDSU comes to town). UND is approximately 0.500 since 2016 in games with attendance 10k+ if you exclude the games above. You can spin it anyway you want, but this staff/program has underperformed since 2016. 2017 was a fireable offense, and it hasn’t skyrocketed since. *BUT* - beauty is can right the ship this weekend in Brookings.

Pretty damn good seasons prior to 2008/2009. Amazing seasons after 2010. There was a trend. Nothing of the sort with current UND coaching situation, unless we want to hang our hat on 2016 season and 2021 COVID spring

He doesn’t.

Haven’t won a game in front of 13,000+ fans since 2016 … big games/crowds are kryptonite to Bubba ball

I find all this 2013 team talk entertaining. ironically, UND had a big matchup against South Dakota State in 2013, also. Hopefully this 2023 matchup goes better than that one did.

Too bad every other position group on that 2013 team was, well, not good.

Montana State with impressive 40-0 win at Weber State. MSU almost beat SDSU in Brookings; MSU is definite top 3 team, main threat to SDSU and NDSU at this juncture, as polls indicate. After that, up in the air. Could UND be top 5? Well …

Beating #1 (South Dakota State) next weekend is where your real poll movement could occur … Losing to #1 wouldn’t do much unless it’s an embarrassment of an outing.

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I’ll go with Fresno, they host Boise St. Wyoming also up there, played Texas tough. Air Force looks solid. Despite all of that, Air Force barely beat Sam Houston State, and Fresno State barely snuck by Eastern Washington. Portland St hung within 14 of Wyoming. Meanwhile, UND pisses themselves out at Boise in front of 100+ fans/parents. I’m sorry, but the leadership and results for UND football is and has been lacking. 10 years later, sample size is adequate. I put my money where my mouth is, and get disappointed year after year. Change is needed, look forward to it, whether next year or in 10 years, it needs to happen.