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Three national titles and a coach of the year award aren't impressive?

Ph.Ds and crap? You really are incoherently babbling.

Relax, if it is DeBoer, we'll be fine. You win three national championships at any level and you know how to coach. And Bubba's head coaching record is mediocre at best.

And who was our offensive coordinator? How'd that work out?

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This is just the reason why local talent is so important. And of course good leadership from the HC to hold the recruits from outside the region together, because we'll need some transfers/JUCO players to get this thing where we want it.

We're trying to put lipstick on a pig here. Bottom line is Bubba was mediocre as a head coach but we're all "hoping" that his dedication to UND and defense will turn the program around. From a national candidate standpoint, Bubba is average at best. DeBoer on the other hand produced considerably as a head coach and I believe he has a higher ceiling. If you were one of those people who wanted Bollinger, you should now want DeBoer. Yes he coached at the NAIA level, but he still produced. I'd take the chance on DeBoer. He's only been exceptional as a head coach, which is not the case with Bubba. In either case, the FCS/MVFC experience they'll bring with them will be a positive for the program moving forward.

After a couple seasons at NIU with former UND assistant Rod Carey and the system he runs down there, Golladay should get a legitimate shot at the NFL.

If going word for word, both of those announcements are unattainable.

That's kind of stereotypical. You obviously would never be able to produce a starting lineup composed entirely of transfers and junior college kids, but adding a few every year to key positions would be fine IMO.

Looks like you're on to something there. After looking at SIU's roster, it looks like they really value JUCO and FBS-transfer players. Their top rusher this year was a transfer from Oregon State, their second leading rusher was JUCO, and their third rusher was a transfer from Georgia. Their top two defensive backs, in terms of interceptions, are JUCO. And their top two tacklers are JUCO LBs. With the way UNDs roster is looking right now, I would actually like to see that philosophy installed, and it looks like either DeBoer or Bubba would do so. Of course, the whole roster can't be that way, so you "fill in the gaps" with local, hard working kids. Bubba would be great at that. After this season's results, I would love to see some big bodied, physical transfer players at runningback and corner/safety!

Hope that's some verbal irony, otherwise that might be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Rather have someone loyal then back-to-back national championships? Long time coaches don't exist in the FCS unless they're mediocre. So saying goodbye to a FCS head coach after five years usually means your program is really good or really bad. In our case, we're really bad.

UND has had talent...too bad a bunch of it just transferred away. Nevertheless, the point is this team has had more issues than just sub-par talent. No discipline and "fire" from the players would be a start. On top of that, Big Sky coaches were "out-coaching" the former staff all the time it seemed. Players were out of position on defense quite often, and there was no physicality to the offense - just the ability to give the ball away to the other team. Those sort of things go beyond just the players; the coaches need to establish a winning culture. But, of course, recruiting is very very important as well, and I think Bubba understands the type of athletes that DI football requires from his time at Southern Illinois.

Workouts are a given for this off-season, but I've heard he's negotiating a full-blown contract. Make no mistake, he'll get his opportunity.

Make no mistake, I honestly believe both Bubba and DeBoer are better leaders than Mussman. I'm not sure about the recruiting part, so we'll have to see about that.

Most Subjective Post of the Day Award goes to...

Never thought I would say this, but with how long this process has dragged on, you have to think it may have been better to have just retained Mussman. Oh well, that's water under the bridge now.

Like it or not, the players have got the raw end of this deal. The length of this hiring process is particularly the reason. As we can see, without a leader and father-figure heading the program, some players get a bit restless and move on. Losing guys like Golladay, Jackson, and Brown are all major blows that shouldn't be taken likely. Whether you like it or not, this hiring process has been a failure. Perhaps not in terms of the guy hired, depending on whether Bubba/DeBoer pans out, but the length has been ridiculous. It's not coincidental that programs around the country make hires as quickly as possible; they realize a mass exodus of players, like we have seen here, is possible otherwise. Knowing the 15-day posting period was a requirement, Faison should have narrowed down the list to only 2 or 3 after Dec. 10 and had someone hired by Dec.12 or 13.

Stony Brook is a solid OOC addition. They are a quality FCS team. Good schedule pick-up.

Will you still want those things if the team has a losing record every season? Players that naturally want to play for UND are a rare breed now with NDSU stealing away the majority of pride and support of North Dakota and Minnesota kids.

Yeah, and Golladay will be playing on Sundays... Why would we ever want to recruit someone like that?

Losing Golladay was the final nail in the coffin. What in the world! This is beyond "normal" for when a coach leaves! Basically a mass exodus.... I'm honestly really disappointed. I want DoBoer, he can build a NC program. Bubba will "work" too

Bubba will put in place a good defense, which will ultimately allow this team to be more successful than any teams Mussman put together. With that said, how can you not want DeBoer!! As head coach, he lost as many games as national champions he won!! That's really impressive on any level! Plus he knows how to beat upper competition (UND in 2009)!! This is an example of a guy who has "it" !!

Both guys present positives: Bubba is a defensive minded guy from this state. Has UND and regional ties. DoBoer has an excellent head coaching record and possesses that mindset we need to knockoff ranked teams and FBS teams. Heck, he used that attitude to play spoiler against us! I think Bubba gets the job, but I'd like to see new blood in the program with DoBoer. Plus the attitude transformation that is required to beat the "big boys" would come with DoBoer.

Golladay had by far the most pure talent on the team; a team that went 3-8! Losing Golladay will hurt significantly. Thankfully this team can't get much worse. Only direction to go is up!