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Another solid addition -good work. Go UND!

Exactly. Bubba Schweigert gets it; he is an AD type. Berry, although a great coach, just has too much conflict of interest in this whole "tradition" and "culture" situation. Of course, one could argue Bubba would have conflict too but clearly he took the logical road instead, which is great. The hockey community currently breeds hatred for the new logo and nickname. There needs to be a change in the hockey culture before many fans begin to even fathom change and I agree that starts with Berry.

Contact the GF Herald and let them know. They should understand if they have a bit of competitive understanding and/or control over the situation. In my opinion, the Herald shouldn't print NDSU stories; that's the Forums job and interested Ag school fans can pursue stories there. GF and UND have their own DI football team and that team happens to be in competition with NDSU; thus, the Herald *should* leave NDSU alone and cover UND! With all that said, the whole Forum Communications ownership thing is probably an issue that works in NDSU's favor - damn.

Disappointing, but completely understandable, if true. O'Brien was a captain in 2016 and his leadership can still be used in other ways for 2017.

You're right. If Connor O'Brien has to call it quits and miss his senior season (which is completely necessary and understandable in the case of repeated concussions) due to - or even partly due to - a cheap shot, that is beyond upsetting. That player from SUU definitely should've received more bad press and/or discipline than he did for his actions, because there was and is no place for his head-hunting attitude at the end of SUU's loss to UND in 2016. In this day and age, where head injuries are far better understood and subsequently scarier, those players that don't want to obey the head safety rules need to be subjected to discipline. At the big stage, the NFL is currently expanding such rules; there is definitely a trickle-down effect to the NCAA. With all that said, O'Brien is an inside linebacker and there was plenty of opportunity, unfortunately, for head injuries to occur outside of said cheap shot.

Yes, I do. If people want to call out my stance with an irrational tone, then I too can mirror that irrationality and call the effort a choke job. Although some didn't catch that and instead a storm of anger pursued. Of course, I don't truly think UND hockey choked, but they damn well could've played better. Okay, I'm officially done here. Go UND

I can understand that. This is a sensitive subject for many, and for that reason, I'll let my former comments stand where they are and no longer post within this derailed thread. My initial point remains, though; when disagreements with the nickname and/or logo come up, it becomes personal or illogical real fast. Fans need to put more emphasize on the University and teams than they do on the mere nickname and logo. Go UND Fighting Hawks

My initial post in this thread detailed my stance and just this: support the University of North Dakota and stop focusing on nicknames, including the former nickname.

Me not being factual? That's a good one. You maintain your regional bubble thoughts and I'll continue my beliefs that just happen to parallel those of the entire country. Good luck. Go UND

No, I wasn't. If folks on here would actually read comprehensively, there would be an understanding of my stance. Instead, people try to take a reading shortcut and, subsequently, the topic becomes incredibly derailed.

The reality is protest? Sure, I suppose. My reality tends to correspond with that of the masses, not regional bubbles.

Who said we were comparing UND programs? Nevertheless, do what you must to maintain your false reality. This is a thread about the new logo - keep it that way.

Oh please dont make me delve into your perception (although I suspect I know what it is). There certainly was plenty of outdated nickname apparel in Scheels Arena on Friday.

Yes, that level of protest and denial is definitely there. This divide within the University community will cause issues for some time, despite what some delusionists on this board think. It is subtle, yes, but disunited nonetheless. The direct influence of the nickname on winning and losing is being blown out of proportion by many as apparently they feel that is a logical rebuttal; it isn't - the divide continues to disrupt irregardless of direct W/L results.

Perception is reality, my friend. You perceive protest as progress, unfortunately. Time to move on. UND Fighting Hawks Hockey essentially lost a home tournament game that many expected them to win. That happens, sometimes; hopefully 2017-18 is better.

Looks like a home non-conference game still needs to be secured for 2018. I hope Faison can come up with a good one - need those home games.

I'm certainly a UND fan/alumnus/booster/season ticket holder, etc., but that doesn't make me a fan of your average "UND fan". It is what it is. Hopefully time can bring some to reality.

Neither I nor anyone else for that matter requires your validation. Nice try, though. I want nothing to do with the "UND fans" you speak of. My years of association with UND validates my relationship with the University completely independent of your classless comments. Were you the one giving "the bird" on tv after UND lost? If the nickname change can ignite this sort of behavior, then, well, the "UND fans" you speak of need to take a hard, long look at themselves in the mirror.

No, but for future reference you can learn to read faster. Too bad all those "Sioux Forever" chants at Scheels Arena today couldn't prevent the choke job.

Bubba and staff are still grossly underpaid. Check out the going rate of similar area schools (e.g., NDSU, SDSU, USD, Montana, Montana State). UND has plenty of work to do with their football and basketball programs in terms of salary and subsequent competitiveness. I've been around enough DI college athletics in this country to know those are the ones that matter to the masses.

That's a stretch. A+ for the hyperbole, though.

Likely not in great numbers, but you're quite unaware of the various claims and protest threats, if you will, that have been put out there if you're doubting what I'm suggesting. FSF fans have, shall we say, a special mindset.

You think recruits love hearing boos when "Fighting Hawks" is mentioned over the loudspeakers or enjoy seeing empty seats because folks felt they would somehow be helping UND by boycotting UND athletics due to the new nickname? 16-, 17-, and 18-year old kids aren't complete robots; they will take into account both the passion and the ridiculousness of each prospective fan base. Recruits aren't invested in the past nickname like some think they somehow should be. Many current recruits were 12 years old when UND was last officially referred to as the Fighting Sioux. Recruits and current student-athletes want "fans" to unanimously buy in because the players and coaches certainly have; the only possible exception to this is the hockey program due to some residual poison.

Yes. I even went as far as to try and save someone's "blown mind" as an aside. You're welcome, @Ray77

One minute of my life I will never get back ... No room for error with "facts", although these days that is lost on some figures.