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29 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
Different styles of football put strain on your team in different ways, meaning fatigue and injuries at those positions. Competing one gang against it is very different than playing against it every week. Your offensive line will need more depth and your front seven on defense though very talented will also need more depth of talent IMO.
The front seven on defense is already very deep (deepest on the team, in fact). Youre just over-praising the MVFC now. 2016 national champion came from the CAA, just as a reminder. UND will be just fine. Bubba and Schmidt know what it takes to compete in that league.
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42 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
I think the UND coaching staff may find themselves in a bit of an interesting recruiting position these next few years. As we know, nearly every team is built to win its respective conference. Conference teams are who you play the majority of your games against so it makes sense to build your team to beat those teams specifically. What's interesting is the style to win the big sky and the style to win the MVFC are very different and IMO require a different approach in building your team. e.g. In the big sky, your defense better be able to handle 5 wide on a consistent basis, meaning you'll likely want to have a lot of depth in your secondary. In the MVFC if you see 5 wide it won't be all game so you probably don't need quite the depth in the secondary. In the MVFC you'll get more of a steady dose of the power running game and will likely need a much deeper front 7, especially the d line. NDSU has won championships on the back of a defense that is built from the front back and their d line depth has been amazing these past 7 years.
How do you think the UND coaches will approach the task of staying competitive in the big sky for the time being, but also knowing that their team will need to be built differently to compete in the MVFC year in and year out.
25 minutes ago, Bison06 said:I'm not saying it'll be a problem, but it's certainly a focus difference. If you think that the team is currently built to compete week in and week out in the MVFC, I'd say we disagree on that point. I'm not saying it's better necessarily, just different. UND's offense specifically is not ready to compete on a weekly basis.
Bubba and his staff have been building UND in the MVFC mold since the first day Bubba arrived as head coach.
UND went from a bottom-of-the-league run defense in 2013 to the top run defense in the BSC in 2014. The same has held true in 2015 and 2016. Eric Schmidt has molded UND's defense to stop the run which will fit the MVFC perfectly.
UND's deepest unit is their defensive line. They are 2 to 3 deep at each position on the D-line. Also, point out for me a MVFC team that has a deeper offensive backfield than Santiago, Oliveira, Johannesson, and Gordon - I don't think there is one other than maybe NDSU.
The one unit that UND needs to work on is their offensive line. They have been active there, and by 2020, I expect it to be a deep, capable unit.
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2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:
I do believe it's possible for UND and NDSU to be the top two in FCS at the same time and for an era.
I base this on UND and NDSU being the top two in DII WBB for a long time.
Right now, both are top 12. That says each team is a couple players away from it.
NDSU won't be at their dominant level of 2013 if UND rises to the top 5; it's very unlikely at least. As I mentioned before, though, both teams can simultaneously be title contenders.
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9 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
Makes some sense.
Football players are football players, but UND and NDSU also run very different defenses. The offenses are similar enough that they could recruit the same players a lot, but the defenses are different enough that it is reasonable to think they may not value the same players in recruiting all the time.
I can sort of see that, but not in terms of top tier talent. I can ensure you the top NDSU defensive players from the recent years (Kyle Emanuel, Marcus Williams, Colten Heagle) would've been welcomed by Eric Schmidt with open arms. Those guys would've fit right in because, bottom line, they are good players with NFL talent.
So, my aforementioned point was there is only so many of those type of players regionally for UND and NDSU to recruit and compete for. It's a balancing act between UND and NDSU. Not a complete coincidence that NDSUs dynasty came during the dark years of UND football.
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1 hour ago, CMSioux said:
I know this is the thread to keep SU drival out of every other thread but it's a huge stretch to say SU is declining and really as a UND fan I do not care a bit about their team. I do not wish for them to slide I want us to rise.
There is a certain capacity or overall limit for two DI North Dakota college football teams, though. That is, the dynamic is a bit of a balancing act. It would be very difficult for NDSU and UND to both be FCS no. 1 and no. 2 based on regional talent numbers (only so many good players in ND, Minnesota, Wisconsin). For UND to rise up the ranks, NDSU has to come down some. I'm not saying NDSU has to drop out of NC contention, but they won't be nearly as dominant as in years past if UND is doing the right thing. I think that is now the case due to UND's progress and Bubba's recruiting putting up far more resistance than in years past (pre-2014). 2016, and now 2017 NDSU, is far closer to 2016 or 2017 UND than 2013 NDSU was to 2013 UND - kind of confusing but just a comparison of both schools' recent trajectory.
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3 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
Playing somewhere and coaching somewhere are very different things. Yes, not all P5 teams are created equally, but they have the budget to get higher quality coaches so usually earning the position of coaching at a P5 school means you are a higher quality coach. Not always of course, but again speaking generally it's true.
Key word you used was "usually" - Iowa State tends to be one of those P5 schools that is an exception to the rule as they tend to make a bit more mistakes in the hiring/performance department. Of course, you did specify that in your comment.
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5 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
Also, good coaches get fired all the time. Too many variables in the world of coaching to assume that someone being fired means he was even the problem. I don't know the details of his Iowa state firing, just speaking generally. After all, Bill belicheck was once fired by the browns.
True, but be careful with that Belicheck reference; someone on here will accuse you of comparing Courtney Messingham to one of the NFL's all-time greats ...
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5 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
Can't fault you for your enthusiasm in your program, but don't for a second think that NDSU is done with the run they are on. Next year will be another deep playoff run.
NDSU certainly will have some good players for 2017, but whether or not they can put it all together remains to be seen.
I edited my previous post to be more politically correct.
Enjoy.
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4 hours ago, Bison06 said:
You mean like when bubba was hired? His experience was less impressive and many still considered the hire a "grand slam". As I said, when it's the home team every decision is viewed for its silver lining.
Obviously his ties to UND change the equation, but many on this board were optimistic because he had been at UMD and SIU.
Key difference: Bubba has not been fired/relieved of his duties. NDSU's new OC got the boot from Iowa State due to lack of effective performance. Considering that, situations are a bit different. We can agree to disagree on the quality of Iowa State football and how coaching/playing there immediately makes one more valued. Chris Mussman played at Iowa State and look how that turned out for UND during his HC tenure.
Again, let's wait and see. If nothing else, this change at OC adds intrigue and something else to follow.
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4 hours ago, Bison06 said:
If this was a UND hire you'd be saying exactly what Bison fans are saying. Great to have a coach with such vast and varied experience on the staff and been a coordinator at a P5 school. When it's your school we see what's good about a hire, when it's the other guys school we see what's bad about the hire. And the world goes round and round.
It is not a grand slam hire nor is 2017 offensive success for NDSU guaranteed. This is definitely a wait-and-see type of situation. It has the potential to be great for NDSU or be an issue.
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20 hours ago, Bison06 said:
You make a fair point,and it would be interesting to find out any/all details of his time at ISU, but my point still stands.
It's exceedingly rare for an FCS coordinator to have at any point in his career held the same position at a P5 school. That alone makes his resume quite impressive which is what I was responding to.
Iowa State has had a terrible football program of late, as NDSU itself demonstrated in 2015. I wouldn't put much stock into Iowa State hiring your new OC as Iowa State football is quite good at making mistakes.
Also, UND's defense largely shut down his Montana State offense last fall in Bozeman (15 points scored; 3 FGs, 1 TD).
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3 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said:
In the end zones I would just put the word--- Hawks---.
I agree
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9 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:
First year staff running and totally different system. Nice try.
Not so fast!
That 2-quarterback system that Montana State was trying to run was a disaster! If that was Courtney Messingham's doing, then he may be more questionable as an OC than you think; reminded me of Mussman and the 2013 UND season ....
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Although glass on one end and seating in the other end zone would be spectacular upgrades, it is quite the pipe dream.
From a realistic perspective, I would say:
1) NEW sound system
2) New turf with fighting hawks logo at midfield and end zones -- this could become reality in a few years as the Big Sky logos will also need to be replaced by MVFC logos
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22 minutes ago, NODAK13 said:
Extend Jones....................
Win on the damn road.
Great win today for UND.
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1 hour ago, Sioux95 said:
Thanks for the great insight. But that would rank your team, not a particular recruiting class.
It's all related. You need good to great classes to form a great team. If you have a great team, then you certainly have - at the very least - compiled good recruiting classes. Coaching, scheme, and development do come into play in order to close the gap.
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Just for the heck of it, you can see UND's classes improved significantly once Bubba and his staff arrived at UND:
2012 recruiting class players that contributed in 2016: QB Ryan Bartels, TE Joe Mollberg, TE Luke Matthewson, DL Alec Carrothers, LB Brian Labat, LB Taj Rich, LB Jake Hanson
2013 recruiting class players that contributed in 2016: OL Dan Bell, OL AJ Stockwell, OL Matt Cox, FB Kyle Norberg, LB Connor O'Brien, LB Jake Disterhaupt, S Cole Reyes
2014 recruiting class players that contributed in 2016: QB Studsrud, TE Luke Fiedler, TE/OL Jacob Francis, OL Adam Stiner, OL Demon Taylor, DL Brandon Dranka, DL Drew Greeley, DL Tank Harris, LB Dylan Bakker, S Charles Flowers, CB Deion Harris, LS Jacob Holmen, K Reid Taubenheim, OL Grant Aplin, FB Tyler Coyne, WR Luke Stanley
2014 > 2013 > 2012
I won't include the 2015 class, but obviously there are a bunch of very good contributing players from that class, as well.
There was a lot of attrition from the 2012 and 2013 classes, partially due to a coaching change but also due to poor recruiting. Bubba's 2014 and 2015 classes (and even the 2016 class) won the Big Sky Conference in 2016, so I would rank the 2014 and 2015 classes as top 15 in the FCS for those respective years. 2016 class remains to be seen (based on how 2017, 2018, 2019, and even 2020 go) and obviously the same for the recent 2017 class.
If Bubba and the staff maintain their trajectory, UND should be signing a top 15 FCS class every season. I recently saw Hero sports (http://herosports.com/news/fcs-recruiting-top-50-recruiting-classes-2017) ranked UND as having the 26th ranked class in 2017. Obviously I'm biased, but I feel UND should have a way higher ranking than that. Only time will tell, I guess. Obviously, performance is based on not only the players (which is largest factor, though) but also the coaching and schemes. Bubba has UND on pace to be an annual top 10 FCS program, hands down, and I believe the recruiting classes should reflect that.
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13 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:
Isn't that more of a weighted average* of five classes?
*Seniors carrying the most impact, then juniors, etc.
Theoretically, you are right. With that said, the top teams should be at least labeled as having the "top recruiting classes" from four years prior.
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1 hour ago, siouxfan512 said:
It really is a nice facility though.
Your definition of "nice" is apparently a bit different than mine. Don't get me wrong, it has some features that are appealing and would suit the Alerus Center well.
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9 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:
Tough loss for Atlanta, we know the feeling.
We were ahead 24-7 over Richmond.
Atlanta was ahead 28-3 over NE.
After the comeback started, neither UND or Atlanta could score again.
Ouch.
Tough reminder but yes, many parallels.
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1 hour ago, SiouxFan100 said:
Personally I won't be putting down the destinations we play now and will play in the future. Not like GF is a big tourist attraction.
Of course, you just had to say that and put everything in perspective. It was fun while it lasted.
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11 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:
The standings after todays action
Weber 9-1
UND 8-3
EWU 8-3
Idaho 7-4
Mont 6-5
MSU 6-5
PSU 4-6
SAC 4-6
UNC 4-7*
ISU 3-7
NAU 3-8
SUU 2-9
*ineligible for Reno
hosting the two team next week that are chasing you. Its moving week part 1 folks!
Why is Northern Colorado ineligible for the Big Sky tournament? Is it because their coach is a "hot head"? I guess I missed this tidbit.
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This is the thing they call the "DakotaDome". I will be there September 16th - it may not be a special venue to some but I hope for a special UND performance against the pups of SD. That in itself will make the trip well worth it.
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I don't argue when it comes to NDSU's success against FBS teams - they've been superb. UND has struggled and let far too many winnable games against FBS teams slip away, including last year against a horrible Bowling Green team. Thankfully UND has one FBS win against Wyoming, which was great considering Bohl coaches there.
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You are putting too much emphasis on that early 2015 game. Early season 2015 versus 2016 UND teams were quite different. More depth, more talent, and more cohesiveness moving forward. Record of the two teams (2015 vs 2016) speaks for itself.