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15 hours ago, gfhockey said:
No, I’m actually going to stay at the canad bar opens earlier
bar in Olive Ann don’t open till 4:30
A true good 'ol boy would know that Bonzer's opens well before that...
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1 hour ago, UND08 said:
One more thing I'll add...we as fans/supporters/boosters play a big part in this too! Show me the plan...show me what you need to execute it...and I better be willing to pony up to make sure it happens! If not...then my apathy is saying that I'm ok with the status quo...and I have no right to complain!
Honest question: What exactly does this look like? Only curious because I've never seen anything similar for the hockey program. I can't recall seeing anything like that from either of the XDSU's (unless it is related to facilities, which I know UND has done as well).
I've listened to the AD and multiple head coaches speak plenty of times. Plenty of different settings whether it be Alumni events, booster luncheons, University sponsored gatherings. In various ways, I've heard them lay out what their expectations are and what they feel they need to do to accomplish it. Depending on the setting, sometimes they are pushing to raise more money as some of that vision requires more money.
What are you actually looking for when you say "show me the plan"?
I honestly don't know what it is exactly you say you're looking for and how you want/expect it to be delivered and I'm curious how it relates to things that maybe are already happening, just not being put out there in the way you expect it to be.-
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1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
There needs to be more accountability; it’s realistic to also acknowledge that. UND needs to make their own luck, and get the job done. Stop blaming others, like the playoff committee. It’s a petty excuse, so I do agree with you on your point being essentially an excuse, and not realistic discourse.
Again, I said they absolutely should have won. Doesn't change the fact that they still had the worst draw in the first round. Making your own luck only goes so far.
Not even taking into account that rules were changed two separate years for two separate things after how the playoff selection shook out, that's a bit beyond making "petty excuses".If acknowledging the deck has been stacked against them multiple times by pointing out facts, despite saying the team still needs to show up and overcome, is considered making "petty excuses" then whatever I guess. The world isn't black and white, it's OK to accept more than one thing can be true at the same time.
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18 hours ago, NDRA said:
Ok, let's look at how legitimate top 16 teams would fall into that category. Top 8 teams get first round bye. Shouldn't 9 thru 16 seeds win at least one playoff game? I know upsets happen but it seems like the upsets are always happening the other way with Bubba.
Don't disagree, but it is an absolute fact that UND has also absoultely gotten the short-end the last two years with their draws. Getting completely screwed by not having a home game and playing the de-facto #9 seed on the road despite having a higher bid when they were nowhere near the last team selected in 2022. Last year, even though they should have won and at least got a home game, Sac St was easily the toughest draw in the highest ranked match-up while a bunch of east coast cupcakes got to play each other. Add in having to get dressed in tents at McNeese in 2019 and you really start scratching your head. Two of those three literally caused rules to be changed because they were so egregious.
I know plenty will jump all over that about making excuses and I will absolutely be clear even getting a fair draw in the first round doesn't you past the second round (nor does blowing a lead against Richmond at home!), but to pretend UND's playoff draws have been anything but a joke over the last few years have not helped build some momentum and improved the results also isn't realistic.
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2 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
I agree, not black and white, but UND football hasn’t faced an exodus like this before, at least not in the recent past. The mixed narrative explanation (that is, there are a lot of things in play for each coaching move) is really just a pathetic way to save face. In reality, if being honest with ourselves, we all know the writing is on the wall. Even folks who do not closely follow UND football or have any internal connections can see it. I do appreciate your (@jdub27) persistent loyalty to the current Bubba regime, though, although you’re likely to go down with the ship.
Having personally talked to at least one of the individuals you referenced, along with a handful that are still with the program who also gave insight, saying that is a "mixed narrative" is 100% accurate. It was a combination of a bunch of different things, each situation different than the other. Similar to what happens to plenty of coaches at programs across the country.
No disagreement on timing, who left, when the they left, where they left to, replacements leaving among other things doesn't feel like an absolute gut punch that has piled up. However, I think UND has done a pretty good job in identifying talented people to fill those spots the last few years. Very much hoping that trend continues. The schedule is not going to be any sort of walk in the park and most understand what is on the line.
To be very clear, my loyalty isn't to a head coach or the staff in general. It is to what is best for the program within the realm of being realistic. To that point, whether buying out the current coach, who has solidly put the program well into the top 12-15 programs over the past 5 years but hasn't been able to take it one step further yet, it is also not a realistic outcome for a handful of reasons. So I don't view it as an option. That conversation absolutely changes after the coming season. And again, that isn't a secret.
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3 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
I mean, since going DI, UND football is 1-0 with Dale giving the pregame speech and it’s a big 1-0.
No arguments from me on that.
So hypothetically bad at recommending people for jobs, good at being a motivational speaker?
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38 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:
Do we know?
And was Dale all that popular (aka influential) at the time having left UND hangin' not long before.And who was on, and influenced, that hiring committee.
Lennon left in 2007, so he would not have overlapped with Faison, who didn't start until May, 2008. However, even without his ties, I assume both would use him as a reference. Despite how he left, I think Dale was still respected and whether it be officially or unofficially would have talked to those making the decisions on his thoughts.
Not surprisingly, can't find anything definitive on who was on the search committee though I would have some guesses. Faison and Kelley made the final call and this article outlines how big of a cluster the hiring rules laws at the time made it to get an outside candidate:
https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-football-und-hiring-process-is-a-unique-endeavor
14 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:Doesn't @gfhockey know all of this? Why don't we ask him?
Easy enough to look back to show plenty of posts that claim him and the made up good ol' boys club were the ones who pushed for Bubba.
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17 hours ago, Longtime fan said:
Should have never been hired
Bubble 22-21 pre und in D2
Kalen 67-3 three champions one runner up in NAIA - young guy with “spark” and connection to the generation
Easy call right ?
17 hours ago, Irish said:Kalen didn't have the old school group of Bubba supporters lobbying hard for him - they had influence with the administration. This disaster is mostly on them.
Serious question: Which one of the two did their current boss at the time put his recommendation behind? Is it possible that had some sway with the hiring committee? I mean the same people railing on a decision made 10 years ago that we can't change also want Dale to give the pregame speech every week...
14 hours ago, zonadub said:Serious question… why wasn’t Pawlak offered the OC position at UND after Freund and then again Landry left?
Does he have any interest in calling plays? He has zero experience at it. Not sure I ever heard he was interested.
He spent 5 years as a grad assistant helping with the OL (2 at NIU, 3 at Iowa St) before UND hired him with nothing beyond being a GA.
I think he's a hell of an OL coach, but his resume for an OC just isn't there. Maybe he'd be good, maybe not. But it is far from a guarantee that it would be successful.14 hours ago, UND1983 said:Heck even Rudy and Knauf just quit coaching once fired. Zero desire to keep going - what does that tell you about their year-round efforts?
One of the two was one of the worst hires UND has had in two decades as it relates to effort. One was content with not coaching college again even though there were lower level opportunities available, the other seemed to think he was much better of a coach than the results showed and doesn't seem like they were willing to put the work in to move back up.
13 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:Put yourself in their shoes. You wouldn’t move to a lateral FCS position for a slight pay raise if you thought there would be upcoming success at UND, as that itself would lead to much bigger opportunities (FBS).
Again, the situation in Fargo proves your narrative isn't black and white. Coaches move for a large range of reasons, and it isn't always clear that it is for the job they are taking. They are thinking of the job or two after that and what options might be there from new connections.
NDSU's OC left for the exact same position at a worse school in a worse conference, halfway across the country where he has no connections, likely for less money and you can't tell me there wasn't guaranteed success in front of him at NDSU. So obviously there are coaches (outside of just UND) who see exactly what you described and move anyway.-
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17 minutes ago, Longtime fan said:
To be clear …I’m not advocating that mussman was better than bubba. I’m advocating both were/are horrible head coaches. Bubbas firsr 4 years were a plus but now it’s like und is right back to 2012 but more frustrating because they have resources and knowledge that they didn’t have at the beginning of the D1 era. Bubbas sell to und is light years ahead of what mussman had to work with.
Year-End Massey Ratings
2008 28
2009 40
2010 48
2011 36
2012 35
2013 68
2014 64
2015 32
2016 21
2017 43
2018 27
2019 21
2020 6*
2021 14
2022 14
2023 15The continuous repeating that things are a disaster isn't reflected by any hard data. And Mussman vs. Bubba is a hilarious comparison despite the different challenges both had to work with.
It's clear the next step is to continuously win playoff games and get the rankings into the single digits but the program as a whole has continued to take steps forward. Easy to be jaded when the two closest schools to you happen to be in your conference and also easily two of the top programs in the country over the last 15 years.
No one is arguing this isn't an important year for a whole bunch of reasons. But some of the suggestions are so far from being based in reality, starting to think half this board is made up of ndsu accounts just having fun at UND's expense.-
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I'm confused as well. If coaches leave, that automatically means that things are going bad in a program? Or is there some sort of arbitrary test that is applied to see whether it is beneficial for ones argument?
Pretty sure NDSU lost their head coach (to be LB coach at USC??), OC (to take the same job in a worse conference for a worse team and then had to steal UND's?) and also multiple assistants. Are things in a tailspin there?
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22 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
Montana does
As far as I can tell, they actually currently have two. Phenicie and Germer, both who have a really lung history with Hauck. Could have missed it but can't find anything that shows either of them left.
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1 hour ago, sioux24/7 said:
Idk for sure. Heard NDSU but also heard Montana.
Do either of those even have an open OL coaching spot.....?
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49 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:
So he's running another program into the ground? Figures.
Not a huge fan of how his last few years went in Grand Forks but the last 12 seasons, that program has won 8, 5, 4, 8, 8, 7, 6, 4, 7, 0, 7, and 4 games.
Safe to say it was well into the ground before he got there.Absolutely embarrassing choice pulling his team off the court though.
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Not saying that number shouldn't be higher, but I guess the team has won a few games in a row so we need to find something else to complain about.
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1 hour ago, bison73 said:
Reality hit. He needs more experience else where for a Head coach resume. Im sure that was a discussion that was had between Polacek and Roehl.
So that's why Polasek gave him a promotion? And then gush to the paper how much they meant to each other and TP wanted him on staff? Might be just me, but that seems like a really odd way to encourage someone to leave to get more experience.
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2 hours ago, CMSioux said:
The spinning will be epic.
At least his last play call for ndsu was a memorable for the fans....
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21 minutes ago, nodak651 said:
Did I read that Joe and Landry coached together at some point?
Both were at NIU for a few years together.
Pretty sure Joe also lived with Landry's parents for a bit when he first moved to Grand Forks, before he got his own place.-
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2 hours ago, Longtime fan said:Well …here we are again ….another UND connection. Had Jake not accepted the gig what ex UND’er would have it have been? Hard to get too excited for this hire. Hope it turns out great but bubba is still steering the boat so the complacency is still well in tact. Not sure on Jake’s credentials but rest assured ….he will most definitely fall victim to mediocrity. If he has/had any resemblance of being an aggressor…throw that out in the dumpster. Not until “oh gosh oh golly “ is gone will UND ever be competing for the gold.
So you admit you don't actually have a clue then complain anyway?
He hasn't had a connection to UND since he stepped off the field (2010) and graduated (2011). Went and got plenty of experience elsewhere and has a very solid resume. Better than what Danny had when he took over. Better than NDSU's when he was hired. Doesn't guarantee he'll be better or worse than either, but to blindly say you don't know anything about him other than he has a tie to UND and use that complain seems pretty odd.-
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4 hours ago, Hawkster said:
But you can't keep doing the same thing and expect different results and that's what keeps happening.
"Top 5" program Albany disagrees with you!
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On 1/13/2024 at 10:59 AM, Midwestern Hawk said:A coach like Deboer would have taken any three teams Bubba had, won a minimum of 9 games and as many as 15 all three years, and had a resume to move to a substantial FBS program. Same players.
Not downplaying his success because it speaks for itself but I'd be curious where his offenses at SIU actually ranked. I think they were above average but they won 5, 4, 6 and 7 games those 4 years. Beyond those few years, at the time his only other college experience was at the NAIA level where recruiting and requirements for players was completely different than D1 NCAA (and he obviously was very successful). It wasn't like it was a glaring mistake at the time.
Very easy to look back and make the obvious comment that UND made a mistake. Happy for him as by all accounts he's a legitimately good guy. But looking back 10 years isn't going to move the program forward today.
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1 hour ago, petey23 said:
Had fan luncheon at Suite Shots in Fargo on Tuesday.
Had Sather, Vahrenkamp, Boysen, and Goehring.
They do run the Fargo one a little bit differently due to frequency and distance.
3 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:wanna “make a stand” and predict the number of wins in 2024?
Too early for solid predictions in my estimation, as don’t even know Fall roster or coaching staff at this point, but just curious since you’re kinda a 99% glass full kind of guy for UND…
I’ll just say that at this early juncture - with the right to change predictions based on upcoming staff/roster changes - that I see a 6-6 season upcoming in 2024. Of course, I certainly hope that leads to a house cleaning.
Without know the OC, who else we'll lose in the portal and who we'll gain? No different than you, not going to throw what would be a random guess out there.
I think the defense needs to get a couple more guys (or see significant improvement from the ones on campus), we need to retain our offensive talent (have concerns about 1-2 players at the moment) and get an OC that will be able to use said talent and work with two young QB's.
The schedule isn't going to be a cakewalk with 3 of this year's 4 semi-finalist plus an FBS game. The conference road schedule is decent, so that is helpful given road issues.Could be as low as 5, could be as high as 11 (assuming everything possible goes right). A ton of variance out there 7.5+ months before the season starts.
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1 hour ago, CMSioux said:
Looking at the lineup for the fan lunch today and Bubba is not on it. That is very poor thinking. Chavez should have required him to address the current status the the team. I predict low attendance, low energy and lots of concerns at this event. I am sure they are hoping that hockey will rule the event, which is part of the problem. It is tough to be a UND football fan right now.
AD doesn't set the lineup.
They concentrate on getting a few coaches from the main seasons in progress (hockey and WBB this week) and sprinkle in minor sport coaches to fill it.
Bubba will likely speak after the next signing day.
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19 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
It’s all about collecting money at this point, thus Bubba has dissolved his reputation to rubble. Simply put, he didn’t deserve to be head coach for more than 5 seasons; 2018 should’ve been his last. He’s been in over his head for a while.
Regardless of what you think, and some points are definitely valid, it legitimately seems kind of crazy that people just assume that someone who has dedicated their entire adult life to coaching and reached the point Bubba has, pouring everything into the program and has had results that are in the top quartile of coaches at this level, would just up and quit and walk away with 2 years left on his contract. (Yeah we know, "complacency")
I find it hard to believe that there's a single person criticizing him that wouldn't do the exact same thing given the multiple years left on his contract.
Now, if he decides he's ready to hang it up, different story. And then some of the critics are right, he doesn't have the fire he needs to continue.
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25 minutes ago, siouxfan512 said:
and can't seem to find some more money in our alumni base
Well, unless you're one of the top 10 schools in the nation or an Ivy with a billion dollar endowment, this is the case everywhere and given what has been accomplished, a pretty short-sighted comment.
They have been constantly fundraising to help get new facilities built and improve the budget.
FCOA, Alston Awards and the buildings that have been put up or are under construction in the last decade weren't free.
That task also falls on the Alumni Foundation and Champions Club. And given the new push with the UND Forever campaign, I would expect a lot of success the next few years.Would it be nice if they could find a 9 figure donation somewhere? Yeah, life would be a lot easier.
Would it be nice if the contract with the REA was renegotiated to balance things out a little bit more? It is pretty complicated beyond what's been laid out here, but yes, it definitely could be.-
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UND vs NDSU 2/3 3:30PM
in Men's Basketball
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He played some really good defense on Mayo towards the end of the game last night. Definitely helped them come out on top.
Assuming he isn't asked to be "away" from the team again....